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 | Sir, Please define "Zana Bil Raza" and "Zana Bil Jabar" as per Quran..!! |
 | Comments by: aurangzaib On Wednesday, March 10, 2010 |  | |
| Dear brother Umair,
I am sorry your question has to remain unanswered unless Dr. Qamar Zaman himself spares some time to elaborate the word "Zana".
As a matter of fact, Dr. Sahib has discovered a meaning of this word that is also revolutionary and has turned all the old philosophy originating from this word upside down. We are still awaiting a thorough study on this topic, as Dr. Sahib's latest interpretation has not reached us yet.
God bless you. | |
| Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On Friday, March 12, 2010 | | |
| In Islamic Jurisprudence the sexual relation with someones premission is considered Zina bil Raza, whereas without someone’s permission is Zina bil Jabar
There is no differentiation between the two kinds in Quran. So the result we infer is
1. either the ayat is not about sexual relation or
2. there is no mention of sexual relations with consent.
In either case there is something wrong in the understanding of the Ayyat. Let us study the Verse 2 & 3 of Sura 24 with its traditional translation.
الزَّانِيَةُ وَالزَّانِي فَاجْلِدُوا كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ مِنْهُمَا مِائَةَ جَلْدَةٍ وَلا تَأْخُذْكُمْ بِهِمَا رَأْفَةٌ فِي دِينِ اللَّهِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَلْيَشْهَدْ عَذَابَهُمَا طَائِفَةٌ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
الزَّانِي لا يَنْكِحُ إلا زَانِيَةً أَوْ مُشْرِكَةً وَالزَّانِيَةُ لا يَنْكِحُهَا إِلا زَانٍ أَوْ مُشْرِكٌ وَحُرِّمَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
Verse no 2... As for the Adulteress and the Adulterer -- flog each of them with hundred stripes, and let not compassion with them keep you away from this law of God. If you believe in God and the last day and let a group of believers witness their chastisement.
Verse no 3... The Adulterer marries no other than an adulteress or a Mushrikah, the Adulteresses ,........None else marries her other than an adulterer or a Mushrik and this is forbidden for the believers.
Keeping aside the wrong interpretations of the Ayyat let us see what we understood from this translation,
1...Male or female both are to be treated equally and every one of them to be flogged hundred stripes,
2...A group of persons must see the flogging of the two.
Now comes the surprise,
3....An adulterer does not marry any woman except an adulteress or Mushrikah.
4....And vice versa an adulteress gets married to only adulterer.
Is this declaration correct ?
We don’t see this attitude in any society. Even most sexually corrupt person wants his wife to be pure and faithful to him. Further we don’t see him marrying a Mushrikah (مشرکہ) (woman who is not Muslim and usually worships idols) and vice versa.
If this observation is incorrect by any interpretations at any time what then ZINA means.
-- Why an adulterer and Mushrik bracketed together,
-- What is the similarity between the two.
Dear Umair am I making some sense please tell me so that I may continue.
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| Comments by: Maniza On Saturday, March 13, 2010 | | |
| Dear sir,
you are making sence for us others, plz continue. | |
| Comments by: aurangzaib On Saturday, March 13, 2010 | | |
| Dear Dr. Sahib,
I would very much like you to continue. We have been waiting for explanations of this 'term' since long. | |
| Comments by: moazzam On Tuesday, March 16, 2010 | | |
| Dr Qamar sahib please continue the answer of this question in some detail, but consolidate the reply dated 12/3/2010 about premarital sex and the marriage contracts,i think both inquiries has some relation to satisfy the answer. | |
| Comments by: Umair_Hamidani On Monday, March 22, 2010 | Report Abuse | |
| Dr. Sahab I am still waiting.. | |
| Comments by: dr shahid On Monday, March 22, 2010 | | |
| Respected Dr. Qamar Zaman
aas-salamualaikum
GOD bless u and always keep u in His safety
we are still waiting although u have already explained it but we are waiting for some details | |
| Comments by: Anwer Suri On Wednesday, March 24, 2010 | Report Abuse | |
| Dear Dr Sahib, AOA
Please let us know. May Allah swt bless you for all the hard work you are doing. Thanks | |
| Comments by: Umair_Hamidani On Saturday, March 27, 2010 | Report Abuse | |
| Dr. Sahab 14 Days No Reply.. | |
| Comments by: Maniza On Sunday, March 28, 2010 | | |
| Salam bhai,
Dr Sahib is in the states, anyone there can catch him for a reply :) | |
| Comments by: aurangzaib On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 | | |
| Dear brothers,
Dr. Sahib is probably extremely busy winding up his quite long travelling schedule. I'm sure he will come back to the topic and explain the puzzle of "ZINA" to your satisfaction.
Meanwhile, I take the liberty, while seeking the permission of Dr. Sahib, to give you a small hint about the meaning of the word "ZINA". This will keep you busy for some time putting your comprehensions of the relevant SURAS in order, before you can read Dr. Sahib's detailed reply.
The word ZINA actually means ..........DISTORTION OF IDEOLOGY........ Zani is the one who 'distorts' an ideology.
Zania (probably) here can be the female of ZANI or it can be a Group, (Jamaat) or Gang or Community committing this crime, as a Jamaat in Arabic is female and the word for it precedes a ۃ of 'taanis" (feminine).
Of course, accordingly, "Al-Zani" or "Al-Zania" are those who commit the crime of distorting the ideology of Islam.
Hence they and Mushrikeen are given equivalent status by the Almighty.
See the meaning of "distortion":
"alter shape: to bend, twist, stretch, or force something out of its usual or natural shape"
I write the above lines with the inspiration from Dr. Sahib's research.
God bless you all.
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| Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On Thursday, April 01, 2010 | | |
| dear Brothers and sisters May God bless you all,
I am sorry not to complete my answer about ZINA. There are other querries to be answered too.However I wll try to add something about verse2of sura 24.
the word translated for whipping is "FAJLEDOO" Which is derived from root letters "Jeem Lam Dal"the word "Jild",Mujallad etc are also derived from the same root letters.The word Jild means skin which protects the body from outside damages.Mujallad is a book which is protected from wear and tear by its hard coverings.So the basic meaning of basic root letters "jeem Lam dal" is to protect.
The word for "whip" used for whipping in arabic is "Saut" which is used for the same meaning in verse13 of sura 89.
See also dictionary by Abdul waheed page 1300 and 1551.
In sura 7 Fahash is defined as......... following someones own desires which is again the "shirk".
From verse 26 onwards Quran says,
""Oh children of Adam(human beings) undoubtedly we have presented a dress to you which keeps you away from your evils (the word used is from "soo" which means evils) and good looks.i.e dress of "TAQWA" and this is excellent.AND THESE ARE FROM THE ORDERS OF GOD.""
Once you defined that you are given a dress which protects you from evils ie QURAN, rest of the ayat become so easy to understand that " Fahash "is not in relation to sex but in relation to leaving the creators testaments
and Zina is not sexual but in relation to mutilating the understanding of Gods commands.This is the reason why Zina and Shirk are bracketed together in verse 2 of sura24.
I will try to explain it in more detail when I come back
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| Comments by: aurangzaib On Thursday, April 01, 2010 | | |
| Thank you Dr. Sahib, at last, for taking time for this elaboration.
We are waiting for a detailed explanation upon your return.
May he bless you with peace and security. | |
| Comments by: Adnan Khan On Thursday, April 01, 2010 | Report Abuse | |
| I humbly request Dr. Sb. and Mr. Aurangzaib to describe such detail in "URDU" so that it could be easily understood by everyone. | |
| Comments by: Umair_Hamidani On Thursday, April 01, 2010 | Report Abuse | |
| Haan Janab Urdu Mien Jawab Dien.. | |
| Comments by: dr shahid On Thursday, April 01, 2010 | | |
| thank u very much respected Dr.Qamar Zaman,we hope that ALLAH will BLESS U FOR ALL THE WORK U HAVE DONE and we have become able to understand the actual MEANINGS,COMMANDS, TESTAMENTS I.E (QURAN) .on which the great consperacy had succeeded to put a deep and ugly cover for the twelve hundred years. we are waiting for some detail about this upon ur return
GOD BLESS U AND KEEP U IN HIS SAFETY | |
| Comments by: aurangzaib On Friday, April 02, 2010 | | |
| Brothers Adnan Khan and Umair Hamidani,
Urdu translation of Dr. Sahib's above reply for you. However, friends, such facility is not guaranteed always.
پیارے بھائیو اور بہنو : اللہ آپ پر اپنی رحمتیں نازل کرے۔
مجھے افسوس ھے کہ میں زنا کے بارے میں اپنا جواب مکمل نہیں کر سکا۔ اور بھی کئی استفسارات تشنئہ جواب پڑے ہیں۔ تاہم میں کوشش کرتا ھوں کہ سورۃ 24 کی آیت 2 کے ضمن میں کچھ اضافہ کروں۔
کوڑے لگانے کے لئے جس لفظ کا ترجمہ کیا گیا ھے وہ " فاجلدو " ھے جو مادے ج ل د سے ماخوذ ھے۔ الفاظ "جلد" ، "مجلد" وغیرہ بھی اسی مادے سے اخذ کیے گئے ھیں۔ لفظ جلد کا مطلب "کھال" ہے جو کہ جسم کو بیرونی نقصانات سے محفوظ کرتی ہے۔ "مجلد " ایک کتاب کو کہا جاتا ھے جو کہ گھسنے اور پھٹنے سے اپنے مضبوط کور کے ذریعے محفوظ کی جاتی ھے۔ پس بنیادی مادے کے الفاظ کا معنی {ج ل د } "محفوظ کرنا" ھے۔
البتہ کوڑے لگانے کیلئے لفظ عربی زبان میں "صوت" ھے جو کہ اسی معنی میں سورت 89 کی آیت 13 میں استعمال ھوا ھے۔ عبد الوحید صاحب کی ڈکشنری ملاحظہ فرمائیں - صفحہ ۱۳۰۰ اور ۱۵۵۱۔
سورت نمبر ۷ میں لفظ "فحش " کی تعریف اس طرح کی گئی ھے:
اپنی ذاتی خواہشوں کا اتباع کرنا - یہ پھر وہی شرک ھے۔
آیت 26 سے آگے قرآن فرماتا ھے:
" اے بنی آدم [انسانوں] یقیناً ہم نے تمہارے لئے ایک لباس پیش کیا ھے جو تمہیں تمہاری برائیوں سے دور رکھتا ھے [یہاں جو لفظ استعمال کیا گیا ھے وہ "سوء" ھے جس کا مطلب برائی ھے] اور اچھی شکل دیتا ھے، یعنی "لباس التقوی" اور یہ بہترین لباس ھے اور یہ اللہ کے احکامات میں سے ھے"۔
جب آپ یہ تعریف مان لیتے ہیں کہ آپ کو ایک ایسا لباس دیا گیا ہے جو آپ کی حفاظت کرتا ھے برائیوں سے، یعنی قرآن، تو باقی کی آیت کو سمجھنا آسان ہو جاتا ھے، یعنی کہ لفظ "فحش" کا تعلق سیکس سے نہیں ھے بلکہ خالق کے احکامات کوچھوڑ دینے سے ھے۔
اور زنا بھی جنس سے متعلق نہیں بلکہ آللہ کے احکا م کی تعبیرات کو بگاڑ دینے سے ھے۔ اور یہی وجہ ھے کہ زنا اور شرک کو آیت ۲، سورۃ ۲۴ میں مشترکہ کیٹیگری میں رکھا گیا ھے۔
میں اس موضوع کو اپنی واپسی پر زیادہ تفصیل میں بیان کرنے کی کوشش کرونگا
God bless you. | |
| Comments by: Adnan Khan On Monday, April 12, 2010 | Report Abuse | |
| Sir. we are awaiting for detailed reply.... | |
| Comments by: Mubashir On Saturday, June 19, 2010 | Report Abuse | |
| A request: When quoting the Qur'an, please don't forget chapter and verse numbers.
Thanks | |
| AOA,
"Zina is not sexual but in relation to mutilating the understanding of Gods commands.This is the reason why Zina and Shirk are bracketed together in verse 2 of sura24. "
Is illicit sexual relationship is allowed by Allah SWT? If not then I think there can be one more way to look at it.
Anyone who involved in an illicit sexual relationship he/she follows his /her desire instead of following the command of Allah SWT, which is also shirk.
Wassalam
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| OTHER QUESTIONS ON | | TERMINOLOGIES |
| | | what are meaning these words jaheem or jahunnam, naeem,jannat Question by: laiq ahmed On 3/4/2010
| | | Sir, Kindly let me know about the concept of “DUA” what exactly Quran says about it ?? and where WIRASAT Law is described in Quran? Question by: Adnan Khan On 3/6/2010
| | | Dear Brother Orangzaib,
What is a difference between Deen and Mazhab? Question by: Minaal On 3/11/2010
| | | (1) Aap k nazdeek ibadat ka kya mafhoom hay?
(2) Surah e bakra me ALLAH farmata hy k "INSAN O JINS SIRF ALLAH KI EBADAT K LIYE PEDA KIYE"
(3) Quran Pak jis Shakal me humare pas hai kya woh isi shakal me nazil hua tha? Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 3/25/2010
| | | Bhai jaan.... aap se 2 sawalat kiye they but un ka jawab mosul nahi hua,,,, about quran and ibadat... i am still waiting for your reply...........plz urdu me reply kijiye ga Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 3/26/2010
| | | PLZ Answer me...QURAN PAK MAIN 114 SURAT HAIN...in k naam ks ne rakhey?? kya QURAN PAK ne khud hi yeh naam rakh liye?(2)3) Surah Baqra ki ayat No.134 me EDDAT ka zikar hai..barah e mehrbani EDDAT ka period bataden QURAN SE? Question by: UMAR HUSSAIN On 4/1/2010
| | | Respected Dr. Qamar Zaman kindly explain the three important QURANICTERMS
1-youm-ud-deen 2-youm-ul-akhira 3-Ajalin musamma. The ACTUAL QUESTION is what is the relation of these terms or events with an individual personally and with nations Question by: dr shahid On 4/12/2010
| | | Salaam
why would God tell us about Jannah and jahannum if we are not to understand the concept?how can we have low,high darja in janna/jahannum ,wheter its a place or "state of mind"? Question by: bob On 4/14/2010
| | | Sir Doctor Sahib,
Please elaborate on the definition of Masjidan Zararan, as well as the perspective in which the term was used by the Almighty.
Thanks in advance. Question by: aurangzaib On 1/12/2010
| | | Kindly explain "SOOD" (interest) from Quran and calling AZAN in infant ear is proven? Question by: Adnan Khan On 1/28/2010
| | | Salaam Dr. Sahib,
Could u tell us why in the Quran, at places God expresses himself as "I" and at places as "We". what is meant by this "We"? Question by: shireen On 5/4/2010
| | | Dr.Qamar regards,the comments of Hafiz abdullah and Aurangzaib sahab at the topic "aqeem ussalat wa aat uzzakat"indivisualy,collectively (in a group)or the state responsibility.I think Hafiz abdullah is correct,bcz of condition 22/41.plz elaborate. Question by: moazzam On 5/5/2010
| | | Dear sir plz tell what is the meaning of ZINA and what is the sourse of this meaning ? Question by: Hafiz Abdullah On 5/7/2010
| | | Dear doctor Qamar.
kindly define the arabic word .............ALLAH........ within arabic grammar please translate in urdu and in english arabic word allah.
faisal masood
Question by: faisalmasoodsunny On 5/6/2010
| | | Dear Sir please clarify the concept of RUH-UL-AMIN ( 26:193 ) and RUH-UL-QUDUS ( 2:87, 2:253 ) . Question by: Hafiz Abdullah On 5/9/2010
| | | dear bother aurangzaib can you plz tell me the names of some other scholars like you and their books. Question by: bilal_khan5181 On 5/15/2010
| | | Salaam Dr. Sahib,
plz answer my Q posted earlier on 4th may 10.
Could u tell us why in the Quran, at places God expresses himself as "I" and at places as "We". what is meant by this "We"? Question by: shireen On 5/28/2010
| | | salaam Dr.Sahib,
1) Could you please explain riba and usury and 2) is it ok to take the interest from bank (which it is giving without our demand) also, is it ok to pay interest on borrowed money from banks (this the bank is demanding). Thank you. Question by: shireen On 6/5/2010
| | | salaam Dr. Sahib, in 43:77 who is Maalek? if it is God, then who is Lord? plz explain
[43:77] They will implore: "O Maalek, let your Lord finish us off." He will say, "You are staying forever.
thank u Question by: shireen On 6/5/2010
| | | Dear Dr Qammar, As it written that human fraternity and PEACE is the core message of this website..> what is the Idea of PEACE here? Social,self, internal, natural, universal or any other type of peace and Can it be achieved without Quran? Question by: Danish roomi On 6/8/2010
| | | Dr,Qamar sb/ A.Y.Zai sb & all SA Is it right to say after surah fateha Aameeen Question by: alam1162@gmail.com On 6/11/2010
| | | My respectable and beloved AURANGZAIB regards,
Sir u said "The word ZINA actually means ..........DISTORTION OF IDEOLOGY........ Zani is the one who 'distorts' an ideology ."
Kindly help me know the source/dictionary containing this meaning . Question by: Hafiz Abdullah On 6/16/2010
| | | Dr.Qamar Sb Salaam Alaikum- Lafz alhamd ka tarjuma tamaam taareefen kiya jata hai. To tamaam tareefon se matlab kya hai. Aur allah apne aap key liye kyon kah raha hai ke tamaam tareef mere liye hai Question by: mohd.areeb On 7/5/2010
| | | Respected Dr. Qamar Zaman Sahib,
Sangsaar is an Islamic Act or not, if yes so in what condition will be applicable.
Thank you. Question by: Minaal On 7/13/2010
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