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TRANSLATION OF QURAN
BY DR. QAMAR ZAMAN
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آیات
سورۃ
نمبر
1-7 الفَاتِحَة -1
1-286 البَقَرَة -2
1-200 آل عِمرَان -3
1-176 النِّسَاء -4
1-120 المَائدة -5
1-165 الاٴنعَام -6
1-206 الاٴعرَاف -7
1-75 الاٴنفَال -8
1-129 التّوبَة -9
1-109 یُونس -10
1-123 هُود -11
1-111 یُوسُف -12
1-43 الرّعد -13
1-52 إبراهیم -14
1-99 الحِجر -15
1-128 النّحل -16
1-111 بنیٓ اسرآئیل / الإسرَاء -17
1-110 الکهف -18
1-98 مَریَم -19
1-135 طٰه -20
1-112 الاٴنبیَاء -21
1-78 الحَجّ -22
1-118 المؤمنون -23
1-64 النُّور -24
1-77 الفُرقان -25
1-227 الشُّعَرَاء -26
1-93 النَّمل -27
1-88 القَصَص -28
1-69 العَنکبوت -29
1-60 الرُّوم -30
1-34 لقمَان -31
1-30 السَّجدَة -32
1-73 الاٴحزَاب -33
1-54 سَبَإ -34
1-45 فَاطِر -35
1-83 یسٓ -36
1-182 الصَّافات -37
1-88 صٓ -38
1-75 الزُّمَر -39
1-85 المؤمن / غَافر -40
1-54 حٰمٓ السجدة / فُصّلَت -41
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Dr Shabbirs objections on Soum :
Add Your Comments  Question by: BOB On 01 September 2010
Comments by: bob On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
By:*Dr. Shabbir  
Date: Tuesday, 31 August 2010, 9:13 am  
In Response To: Say NO to Fasting (Khaleeq)  
 
HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE DOESN'T KNOW.  
 
Dear friends,  
 
Thanks to brothers Adnan Khan and Rumi, I got the link to Dr. Qamar Zaman's HAQEEQAT SOUM & TRUTH ABOUT SOUM. Finally, I have been able to read both versions of the book, Urdu & English.  
 
How can I trust a man who cannot even spell SAUM right? Let it go :-)  
 
SAUM is no punishment. The five places where he thinks of SAUM as punishment, are clearly referring to TAQWA (being watchful of Divine commands regarding our conduct). SAUM is prescribed in those instances for being careful of our utterances and actions. Soldiers run around a field every morning for fitness. They may be ordered to run around for attaining discipline as well.  
 
People careless about their utterances and actions need to discipline themselves, and what could be a better way to discipline oneself than through SAUM (self-restraint)?  
 
10:15 When Our messages are conveyed to them in all clarity, those who do not expect that they are destined to meet with Us (want to strike a deal with the Messenger). They say, “Bring us a Qur’an other than this or make some changes in it.” Say (O Prophet), "I cannot possibly change it on my own. I only follow what is revealed to me. If I disobey my Lord, I fear the retribution of an awesome Day."  
 
Dr. Qamar Zaman DOES NOT EVEN KNOW the ultimate objective of SAUM! This fact alone effectively DEMOLISHES his THESIS.  
 
THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE OF SAUM IS TO ESTABLISH THE SUPREMACY OF GOD  
[Think of Lord’s Prayer. “Our Father which art in heaven, Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.” Luke 11:2]  
 
In the zest to create some furor among gullible Muslims, Dr. Zaman did not have patience enough to see the ultimate objective of the collective SAUM. He stops short at 2:183 and closes his eyes to 2:185. Finding the word TATTAQUN in the former he breathlessly jumps to MUTTAQI, dwells on it, and gets the reader confounded in and around that term at great length.  
 
Getting empowered against evil (TAQWA) is only an essential attribute for people towards establishing the Supremacy of God on earth.  
 
TAQWA & SAUM  
2:183 (Creating an ideal society requires discipline and self-restraint among the individuals.) O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Abstinence (from sex and free indulgence in food and drink during the daytime) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you so that you get empowered against evil (TATTAQUN).  
 
[I have translated Saum as ‘Abstinence’ instead of the common ‘fasting’ since it involves more than fasting, such as abstaining from intimate husband-wife relationship. Moreover, Saum literally means self-restraint, and not fasting, therefore, it includes desisting from common vices such as impatience, anger, unfair criticism, envy etc. Taqwa = Journeying in security = Being careful and observant = Getting empowered against evil = To avoid overstepping the laws = Exercising caution = Strengthening one’s ‘self’ = Preserving the ‘self’ against deterioration = Good conduct. Muttaqeen = Those endowed with Taqwa]  
 
GOD’S SUPREMACY & SAUM  
2:185 The month of Ramadhan has been chosen for this collective training since this is the month in which the Qur’an was revealed, a guidance for mankind, clearly explaining the ‘why’ of every Rule. And it is the Criterion of right and wrong. Whoever witnesses this month should participate in the program of Abstinence. But if any of you is sick or on a journey, let him practice Abstinence for the same number of days later. God desires for you ease, and He does not desire hardship for you. The postponement is to enable you to complete the period. The objective of this training is to establish the SUPREMACY OF GOD (on earth) for, He has shown you a well-lighted road, and for you to show gratitude.  
 
MUSLIMS’ FAILURE IS NOT THE FAILURE OF SAUM: It is quite true that inspite of all the ritualistic devotions, Muslims are failing miserably in the world. We cannot pull out SAUM for chastisement. Very briefly, the reason is their lack of intellectual inquiry and neglect of education, science and technology. Add to this the N2I poisoning keeping Muslims preoccupied with accumulating THAWAB for the Akhirah by incessant praying and counting names on rosaries. Mullahs keep propagating Ahadith like, “This world is a carcass and its seeker is a dog.”  
 
THOSE FIVE KINDS OF SAUM AS “QAMARI PUNISHMENTS”  
 
ONE: Self-discipline for failing to help the Hajj congregation (2:196).  
TWO: Self-discipline for unintended murder (4:92).  
THREE: Self-discipline for vain utterances of oaths (5:89)  
FOUR: Self-discipline for hunting during Hajj (5:95)  
FIVE: Self-discipline for vain utterances about wives (58:2-4)  
 
My friends may convey this post to Dr. Qamar Zaman. I do not mean to be trifle-harsh, but here we are dealing with the Book of Allah, the noblest text ever. The man plays with the words and terms of the Qur'an with utmost callousness. Adopting his attitude, one can cancel the entire Book. He would rather rewrite the entire Revelation again and again. I used the words “plays with the words and terms”. That is a lot more than erring, overstretching and imagining. I advise Dr. Zaman to ask forgiveness of Allah for desecrating His Word.  
 
He assails certain statements and verses, but fails to present the correct meanings. Even where he thinks he is correct, he is awfully wrong. The man’s command over the Arabic language is dismal. I dismiss his so-called book as a pathetic, condemnable distortion of the Qur'an.  
 
dictated not read  
 
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119155966

Comments by: bob On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
My reply :  
 
By: bob  
Date: Tuesday, 31 August 2010, 6:59 pm  
 
In Response To: SAY "YES" TO SAUM! (*Dr. Shabbir)  
 
Dear Dr Shabbir and friends  
 
You have stated that “SAUM is prescribed in those instances for being careful of our utterances and actions”. However, in each instance, it is clear that if violations occur, the result will lead to expiations. If one is to exercise caution or be mindful in order to prevent such situations from occurring, why are penalty measures put in place?  
According to oxforddictionaries.com, the definition of “punishment” is given as follows:  
 
The infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offence: “crime demands just punishment”  
In other words, if one commits offenses / wrongful acts, he will receive a penalty accordingly.  
 
then observe Abstinence (from food, drink, and sex) for three days, as in Ramadhan. This is the expiation of your (breaking of) intentional oaths. (5:89)  
 
If one is to break an oath, then the direct consequence for this is to “observe abstinence” (no sex no food).  
Or for expiation, feed some poor at a cost equal to the cost of the animal. If someone has no means to do that, then Abstinence (for three days as in Ramadhan. (Three days of Abstinence from food, drink, and sex, would equal feeding ten poor persons. 5:89). God has pardoned past violations. An appropriate court shall punish those who persist in violating this law. God is Almighty, Able to requite. (5:95)  
 
It is further classified in this verse, that an individual will be punished for the offense, however repeat offenses be dealt by the judiciary of the state.  
 
If a person is present at the Convention but cannot afford to contribute, he should exercise Abstinence for a total number of ten days, three days there and seven days after coming home. (2:196)  
 
Penalty terms have been provisioned – if one is unable to contribute, he should exercise abstinence (no sex no food)!  
It is not conceivable that a believer will slay another believer unless it be by mistake. If one kills a believer by mistake, there is the duty of freeing a believing person from bondage; may it be slavery, extreme poverty, crushing debt or oppression (please refer to the Ayat itself for more criterion) For those who find this settlement beyond their means, two consecutive months of Abstinence, as in the month of Ramadhan, are ordained by way of repentance from God. (4:92)  
This is a mind-blowing assertion; one who commits manslaughter is given an extreme light sentence of “Abstinence” (no sex no food) for two months. Nevertheless, a sentence would indicate an act of punishment due to an offense committed.  
 
The above verse is not stating, one must avoid killing / manslaughter, but providing details of capital punishment of “Saum” for two months.  
 
For arguments sake, let’s take “Saum” to be abstinence from sex and food. It is not common for prisoners / inmates to have intimate encounters, would this create self-discipline or enrage the inmate, causing psychological pressure upon the individual?  
 
The fact remains; the manner in which the above ayat is translated suggests that “Saum” is a punishment.  
those of you who have made senseless declarations about their wives (58:3) let him observe daytime Abstinence (from food, drink and sex as in the month of Ramadhan) for two consecutive months before the couple may intimately touch each other. (58:4)  
 
Again, it is noted, that if you do wrongful acts, you will receive a penalty.  
Just to provoke thought amongst the readers – and going by just the translation, many men make terrible assertions about their wives, and vice versa, why is this commandment only for men?  
Does this mean those who do not have self discipline have the potential to commit murder, break oaths, and bad-mouth their spouses?  
 
The state determines disciplinary actions and ensures the offender is charged in a just manner receiving a deserved punishment. The state takes responsibility for the rehabilitation for the offender, not only imposing restrictions but providing a program of support to ensure repeat offences are not committed. An individual who commits such a crime, does so by choice, self-discipline (no sex no food) will not change that!  
 
Abstinence is better for you, if you only knew. (2:184¬)  
 
If “Saum” is such a blessing, why in the above Ayats is it portrayed as a punishment?  
Dr Qamar Zaman has not stated that “Saum” is a punishment. He has pointed out that the traditional interpretation of “Saum” is conveyed as a punishment!  
 
He has given a definition of what he thinks “Saum” is that’s why he referred to “Maryams Saum” in his book. She did not “abstain” from sex and food, her “Saum” is the real “Saum” the same “Saum” which is prescribed for everyone.  
Saum is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you (2:183)  
 
Let’s take a look at the following mentioned by Dr Shabbir:  
 
**ONE: Self-discipline for failing to help the Hajj congregation (2:196).  
 
If one is unable to afford to contribute to hajj, is self discipline required? How much abstinence (no sex no food) should the victims of the flood in Pakistan / poor people in the world, how much abstinence (no sex no food) should they practice in order to develop self-discipline – obviously they are unable to contribute, so are they pardoned?  
 
**TWO: Self-discipline for unintended murder (4:92).  
 
Having lack of self-discipline, how likely is it to lead to murder? As stated above, being unable to contribute to hajj and murder require the same level of self-discipline?  
 
Why is a poor person who is unable to contribute to hajj required to have self- discipline, this is also adopted for the murderer, instead of punishment or rehabilitation? The psychological state of a murderer cannot be the same as a poor person. Here the Quran is definitely conveying a deeper message.  
 
**THREE: Self-discipline for vain utterances of oaths (5:89)  
 
Again, the same self-discipline is required for vain utterance of oaths? Can vain utterance of oath be placed in the same category as murder?  
 
**FOUR: Self-discipline for hunting during Hajj (5:95)  
A very different type of act, but the same notion of “Saum” (no sex no food) which should lead to self-discipline? How can refraining from having sex or food change the psychological state of the offenders / law violators?  
If the inmates of prisons in the UK and the US were to perform “Saum” (no sex no food) for 30 days, would they gain self-discipline?  
 
**FIVE: Self-discipline for vain utterances about wives (58:2-4)  
 
I don’t think any wife would have sex with her husband if he bad-mouthed her anyway, neither would she cook for him, either way, he would be in a constant state of abstinence (no sex no food).  
One must be in a certain psychological state of mind to commit such acts, which are on different levels; you claim all this can be treated by refraining from sex and food?  
 
The west who have the highest standard of rehabilitation programs missed out the greatest method given by the Quran, no sex no food? And this of course would result in no murders, no vain utterance about wives, no vain utterance of oaths, and everyone would be able to afford to contribute to hajj….?  
 
All of the above offenses were committed because of lack of self-discipline?  
 
In these cases “Saum” is not self-discipline (no sex no food), but a rehabilitation program which is required to treat the psychological state of mind of the law breakers, their intention which initiates the action must stop immediately.  
For example, if an individual wanted to loose weight, one would hire a personal trainer. The personal trainer would advise you to stop certain types of foods immediately. Whether dietary or physical exercise, one would then start the program given by him / her. However, the personal trainer would not give the same training program to a body builder, nor would it be the same for a gymnast.  
 
*Those who are sick (such as those who suffer from diabetes) how would they attain self-discipline (no sex no food), if they commit such crimes and cannot conform to abstinence (no sex no food) ?  
I don’t understand how no sex and no food can lead to taqwa?  
Yes we are talking about the noblest book, so illogical conclusions adopted about “Saum” which are clearly inferior to much better programs created by the west, such conclusions need to be eliminated!  
 

Comments by: Waqar On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear bob,  
Great reply! I am sure it will not be posted on ourbecon and will probably be categorized as "N2I".  
 
Please pay attention to " I advise Dr. Zaman to ask forgiveness of Allah for desecrating His Word". This is Mullhaism at it's peak. We have waited for about one and half year for Dr. Shabir's reply on Dr. Qamar's book and this is what he came up with?

Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
I do not know why dr shabbir is attacking dr qamir sahibs personality.sometimes he calls im a gangster.sometimes he calls him a fake doctor.sometimes he says dr qamar is hiding in the west but he can not even make a single rationale point against dr qamar zaman's work.i think he is jealous of dr qamar zaman.i did not excpect a person like dr shabbir to behave lake that it is pure mullah attitude.I hope brother Aurangzaib will also comment .that will be intersetin i will be waiting for his comments

Comments by: Adnan Muhammad Khan On 01 September 2010
Dear Bob: you have done a great job! well done!  

Comments by: moazzam On 01 September 2010
Dear all, the reply of Mr. Bob in response of Dr. Shabbir SAY "YES" TO SOUM ! is really comprehensive in all aspects WELL DONE.Plz take the Dr.Shabbir's point of view in a positive sense , same like as many other scholars has taken the 'NAMAZ,ROZA,HAJJ(the rituals)as a training of muslim ummah,(indivisual /collectively) then ask the following questions. 1:- Is there any muslim state or small city/town in the entire muslim ummah, where they are practicing these rituals as a training programme and yeilding good results of sef dicipline in their society.2:-In almost all major religions, this type of rituals are bieng performed with little bit differences in their societies (they take it as a worship) same as in muslim ummah,then what is difference ???.3:- To bring collective /indivisual dicipline, the training programme of almost all ARMIES in the world having role modle, showing best results than the religious rituals. 4:-If five time NAMAZ since long, could not bring self dicipline in the indivisuals life, and collectively in the societies ( as per their claim( INNASSALATA TANHA ANILFAHSHA E WAL MUNKAR),then how can few days imposed obstinence could bring self dicipline.5:- In case of indivisual ROZA(obstinence) why should he bound for DAWN TO DUSK,rather completing the specified time period as per required indivisual diets.5:- What about the person who is already restrained socially/moraly (bechilors-like living/not married) to perform the sextual activities(sextual intercourse)the training for him is only the change in meal schadule 6:- there seems discremination in this observing obstinence training system, between elits and poor as their living/working style.6:- Finaly how it coud be gaurantted,that, these training programme will never be turned into sort of worship as it could be already seen in muslim ummah.SHABBIR KIYA KHOOB HAIN, BEMAR HUAY JIS KEY SABAB,OSI ATTAR K LARKAY SAY DAWA LAITAY HAIN.

Comments by: pervez On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Bob,  
 
"How can I trust a man who cannot even spell SAUM right? Let it go :-)Reference Doctor Shabbirs remarks,  
 
 
Saum is not a word of English and has no definite spelling. what it has to do with trust? Really disappointing. So sad and pathetic , what a caliber? I didn"t have time to read such worthless comments which had so pathetic start. I think such writings should not be given importance and be disposed of as rubbish. However, you gave a good reply without coming down to his level.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Pervez Bhai,  
 
Reference our discussions a few days ago about establishing good relations and mutual cooperation between us and ourbeacon.com, where I appreciated your spirit and encouraged you to take an initiative in this direction if you liked.  
 
I am happy that you have gone through brother Bob's material above and I am still happier that your comments and subsequent conclusion about those people have finally reached in full agreement with mine.  
 
It so happens that Sometimes our positive feelings, that are a result of our good intentions, are dictated by appearances which are often deceptive. For example, who could have thought that the writer of booklets like "Islam ke Mujrim" and "Haqiqat-e-Kerbala" would, personality wise, be an insult to all norms of decency and human ethics. A slanderous psychopath.  
 
I am interested to know the result of brother WAQAR's comment above where he said :  
 
""Dear bob,  
Great reply! I am sure it will not be posted on ourbecon and will probably be categorized as "N2I". ""  
 
Could brother Bob please tell me whether his comment was posted there or not?  
 
God bless you.

Comments by: bob On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam, i have posted my reply twice  
 
here : http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119155989  
 
and here : http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119155966  
 
but it has not been posted yet,im still waiting. . . . . . . in fact,i have been online all the time to see if they post it or not.  
 
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http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119156033  
 
they have published it .

Comments by: Frank_Talk On 01 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear all Salam,  
I have copied Dr Shabbir's discuss on the on his highly moderated forum. This discussion about Saum is from October 2009. Please note his confession that he had read all of Dr Zaman's books about 9 months ago. Nine months later memory of that confession has been delivered OUT. Here is that interesting discussion. It is very long post, but it will give some glimpse into the state of thinking. Here we go:  
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Dr. Shabbir  
Date: Saturday, 24 October 2009, 8:47 am  
In Response To: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Umar)  
Thanks a lot, dearest Umar, for reminding me about my promise although I never forgot it. Apart from our honorable friends, I have continued with my own independent research and contemplation. My rather longish, but hopefully clear, answer appears below.  
May Allah bless you, I have hardly come across a youngster with your intellectual heights, wisdom and knowledge.  
Caution? Kindly do not take my response as the final word since I am a fallible lifelong student.   
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Dear Umar, AA  
About your question on SAUM, let me declare right away that the Ramadhan antics performed by the so-called Muslims never appealed to a 10 year old Shabbir’s critical mind. I vowed to myself and to my family and friends that I would start learning now and try to reform our scattered Ummah when I grow up – a daunting but sincere desire. Fortunately, the elders around liked me and they always wanted their children to be in my company. So, no one snubbed me.  
Without agreeing with much of what Dr. Qamar Zaman wrote, I have my own, independent, humble conclusions for you.  
SAUM = Self-control = Going the extra mile to avoid any violation = Refrain from trespassing = Discourage vice and promote virtue by example = Stop enemy’s advance = Rabaat or guarding the Islamic frontiers = Take extra burden for the welfare of society = Jihad with wealth and person = To strengthen one’s character = Sacrifice for the fellow man.  
Below are given various (all incorrect) translations of verses 2:183-187. I apologize that the QXPi belongs to 2001 when I did not have enough conviction to announce my breaking free of the "Fasting punishment". You don’t have to read all of them. I go on with my story.  
Allama Iqbal, Sir Syed, Quaid-e-Azam, Abul Kalam Azad, Shibli Na'mani, Liaquat Ali, Mufti 'Abduh, Jamaluddin Afghani, Nizam Deccan, Sirajuddaulah, Tipu Sultan and many more benefactors of the Ummah never fasted.  
Is it possible that, as reported, the Sahaba Kiraam were fasting during the Battle of Badar, 150 miles away from home. Islam's future depended on Victory right there.  
So, as a child, I saw people in our homes and neighborhood getting excited about the advent of Ramadhan, waking up for Suhur (‘Sahri’), and enjoying a variety of meals. I loved the paratha, halwa, dahi, lassi, eggs, nihari, jams, jellies etc at a weird time. It was fun to have halla gulla with friends in early morning. But, quite early in the day, everyone was seen struggling to go through the day and waiting for Futur (‘Iftaar’). I saw many people surreptitiously ending their fast prematurely. (Who cared if a kid was around?)  
I saw tremendous violation of human rights during Ramadhan. Although hardly 5-10 percent men and women fasted the entire month, the rest made a great act beating Dilip Kumar of film DAAGH. People would leave their jobs around noon, complaining that they felt drained. Every task would be postponed with the excuse of fasting. I saw people being short tempered and jittery. Anger, backbiting, quarrels rather increased. Prices of all things went up exorbitantly. Reading the Quran without understanding and ritual prayers were considered to win them many times of the usual “Thawab” in the Akhirah. No one would do community service. Iftar was an occasion for social partying where most people over-ate. At the end of the month, most people would gain nothing in character, but put on plenty of weight.  
Go to any office in any Middle Eastern country and, as early as 9AM, you will hear everyone saying,"Wallahe ta'baan min as-Saum, ta'al bukra." (By God, I am tired of fasting, come tomorrow.)  
The noble objective of Saum is to strengthen our character and do extra best with our duties with perseverance and self-control, wherever assigned by the government and thus, establish the sovereignty of Allah (Kibriyaai) on earth. Did I ever see it? Did you ever see it?  
There is a Hadith where the exalted Prophet (S) is reported to have admired those Sahaba Kiraam who had not fasted and were busy fixing tents, cutting grass, tending animals, while those who fasted lay flat on the ground. He said, “Most certainly, the non-fasters have outdone the fasting ones”. [I doubt that people ever fasted in that blessed era since it was a late Imamist innovation.]  
A Fabrication: We know that the breath of a fasters stinks like a skunk after mid-day. A Hadith cames to the rescue, "The foul smell from the mouth of a faster is dearer to Allah than pure musk." :-)  
Another point that drew my attention is the Criminal Bukhari’s inclusion of Fasting in the Five Fabricated Pillars of Islam.  
The term "Pillars of Islam” is absolutely non-Qur’anic. There is no such term as 'Imaadil Islam' or 'Imaad-id-Deen’ in the Book. ('Imaad means pillars.) But our clergy, the "Imams" of Hadith, invented the so-called Five Pillars of Islam.  
The Sunni Pillars:   
*Iman (Faith) – *Salat (Relegated to ritual prayers five times a day) - *Zakaat (distorted as annual charity or poor-due) - *Saum (Fasting in the month of Ramadhan) - *Hajj (Pilgrimage to Makkah).   
The pot belly clergy, however, abjectly fail to describe a beautiful building on these “pillars”.  
Guarding human rights, benefiting people are the central themes in the Qur’an. Give and grow!  
I can envision “Imam” Bukhari committing an atrocious forgery, writing an incomplete, erroneous sentence with a fibrillating heart and a trembling hand, "Al-binaa-il-Islam ‘ala khams.” (The foundation of Islam is on five.) Notice the word 'Pillars' missing even here, betraying his guilty, halfhearted attempt at frank forgery.  
The Shi’a Pillars are quite different:   
*Tawheed (Monotheism) – *‘Adl (Justice) *Nubuwwat (Belief in the prophets of God) - *Imamat (Imamate or belief in "Imams") -*Qiyamat (Resurrection).  
THE FOUNDATION OF ISLAM: Guarding human rights and benefiting humanity have been very frequently stressed and ordained in the Qur’an. Narrating the history of nations, the Book makes it clear that no community ever faced decline or annihilation unless they violated human rights, committed crimes against humanity or started oppressing the weak. Not a single nation suffered humiliation or destruction for want of rituals. (To confirm these statements, see Surah 11, HUD which gives us a history of many communities).  
Arif Shamim’s point is very strong: that the elite of any community are the first ones to oppose Divine commands. But, they seem to thrive on the empty ritual of fasting. Social partying, glittering dress and ornaments, invitations & counter invitations, show off of piety, and display of "generosity" fattens their ego. Iftar time has become a fashion show.  
WHAT IS SAUM? Ramadan is a month of collective training for Muslims to intensify their efforts in following Divine commands and truly bring into practice self-control, self-sacrifice, and community service. It also entails warding off vice and promoting virtue by personal example. Most of these activities can take place only outdoors but the "fasters" would rather spend their days in cool shades playing with rosary beads, the Quran and Jaa-Namaaz (the prayer rug).  
WAKULU WASHRABU means not only “eat and drink”, but more often “continue and enjoy your normal life”.  
In my humble opinion, 5 times daily NAMAZ and one month yearly FASTING were introduced to Islam by the Ajami Criminals to make Muslims worthless to the society. So, since teenage, I have not fallen for these empty rituals.  
Thanks and may God bless you!  
A lifelong student  
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al-Baqarah 002:183  
‏2:183 ياايها الذين امنوا كتب عليكم الصيام كما كتب على الذين من قبلكم لعلكم تتقون  
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Transliteration Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo kutiba AAalaykumu alssiyamu kama kutiba AAala allatheena min qablikum laAAallakum tattaqoona   
Literal   
You, you those who believed, it is dictated/ordered on you the fasting , as it is dictated/ordered on those from before you, maybe you fear and obey (God).  
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Yusuf Ali   
O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-   
Pickthal   
O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, even as it was prescribed for those before you, that ye may ward off (evil);   
Arberry   
O believers, prescribed for you is the Fast, even as it was prescribed for those that were before you -- haply you will be godfearing --   
Shakir   
O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard (against evil).   
Sarwar   
Believers, fasting has been made mandatory for you as it was made mandatory for the people before you, so that you may have fear of God.   
Khalifa   
O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you, as it was decreed for those before you, that you may attain salvation.   
Hilali/Khan   
O you who believe! Observing As-Saum (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious - see V.2:2).   
H/K/Saheeh   
O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous   
Malik   
O believers! Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you so that you may learn self-restraint.[183]   
QXP   
(Creating an ideal civilized society requires self-discipline, self-control and restraint among the individuals.) O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Abstinence is prescribed for you as it was prescribed to nations before you so that you benefit from this training, and get empowered to walk aright.   
Maulana Ali   
O you who believe, fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard against evil.   
Free Minds   
O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you perhaps you may be righteous.   
Qaribullah   
Believers, fasting is decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you; perchance you will be cautious.  
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George Sale   
O true believers, a fast is ordained you, as it was ordained unto those before you, that ye may fear God.   
JM Rodwell   
O believers! a Fast is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may fear God,  
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Asad   
O YOU who have attained to faith! Fasting is ordained for you as it was ordained for those before you, so that you might remain conscious of God:  
al-Baqarah 002:184  
‏2:184 اياما معدودات فمن كان منكم مريضا او على سفر فعدة من ايام اخر وعلى الذين يطيقونه فدية طعام مسكين فمن تطوع خيرا فهو خير له وان تصوموا خير لكم ان كنتم تعلمون  
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Transliteration Ayyaman maAAdoodatin faman kana minkum mareedan aw AAala safarin faAAiddatun min ayyamin okhara waAAala allatheena yuteeqoonahu fidyatun taAAamu miskeenin faman tatawwaAAa khayran fahuwa khayrun lahu waan tasoomoo khayrun lakum in kuntum taAAlamoona   
Literal   
Days/times counted/numbered, so who was from you sick/diseased or on (a) journey/trip/voyage, so numbered/counted from other days/times, and on those who (can) endure/tolerate/bear it a ransom/redemption (of) feeding a poorest of poor/poor oppressed, so who volunteered goodness/generosity , so it is best for him, and that you fast (it is) best for you, if you are knowing.  
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Yusuf Ali   
(Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.   
Pickthal   
(Fast) a certain number of days; and (for) him who is sick among you, or on a journey, (the same) number of other days; and for those who can afford it there is a ransom: the feeding of a man in need - but whoso doeth good of his own accord, it is better for him: and that ye fast is better for you if ye did but know -   
Arberry   
for days numbered; and if any of you be sick, or if he be on a journey, then a number of other days; and for those who are able to fast, a redemption by feeding a poor man. Yet better it is for him who volunteers good, and that you should fast is better for you, if you but know;   
Shakir   
For a certain number of days; but whoever among you is sick or on a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; and those who are not able to do it may effect a redemption by feeding a poor man; so whoever does good spontaneously it is better for him; and that you fast is better for you if you know.   
Sarwar   
Fasting is only for a certain number of days. One who is sick or on a journey has to fast the same number of days at another time. Those who can afford a redemption should feed a poor person. Good deeds performed on one's own initiative will be rewarded. However, fasting is better and will be rewarded. Would that you knew this!   
Khalifa   
Specific days (are designated for fasting); if one is ill or traveling, an equal number of other days may be substituted. Those who can fast, but with great difficulty, may substitute feeding one poor person for each day of breaking the fast. If one volunteers (more righteous works), it is better. But fasting is the best for you, if you only knew.   
Hilali/Khan   
(Observing Saum (fasts)) for a fixed number of days, but if any of you is ill or on a journey, the same number (should be made up) from other days. And as for those who can fast with difficulty, (e.g. an old man, etc.), they have (a choice either to fast or) to feed a Miskeen (poor person) (for every day). But whoever does good of his own accord, it is better for him. And that you fast, it is better for you if only you know.   
H/K/Saheeh   
[Fasting for] a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey [during them] then an equal number of days [are to be made up]. And upon those who are able [to fast, but with hardship] a ransom [as substitute] of feeding a poor person [each day]. And whoever volunteers excess it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.   
Malik   
Fast the prescribed number of days; except if any of you is ill or on a journey, then fast a similar number of days later. For those who can not endure it for medical reasons, there is a ransom: the feeding of one poor person for each missed day. Whoever does more good than this voluntarily, it is better for him. However, if you truly understand the rationale of fasting, it is better for you to fast.[184]   
QXP   
Just a certain number of days. But, if any of you is sick or is traveling, the number of days should be made up later. For those who can go through Abstinence only with hardship, there is compensation, the feeding of an indigent. Any additional charity will mean additional reward. However, if you knew better, the training course of Abstinence is good for you.   
Maulana Ali   
For a certain number of days. But whoever among you is sick or on a journey, (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days. And those who find it extremely hard may effect redemption by feeding a poor man. So whoever does good spontaneously, it is better for him; and that you fast is better for you if you know.   
Free Minds   
A few number of days. Whoever of you is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days; and as for those who can do so but with difficulty, they may redeem by feeding the needy. And whoever does good voluntarily, then it is better for him. And if you fast it is better for you if you knew.   
Qaribullah   
(Fast) a certain number of days, but if any one of you is ill or on a journey let him (fast) a similar number of days later on; and for those who are unable (tofast), there is a ransom the feeding of a needy person. Whosoever volunteers good, it is good for him; but to fast is better for you, if you but knew.  
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George Sale   
A certain number of days shall ye fast: But he among you who shall be sick, or on a journey, shall fast an equal number of other days. And those who can keep it, and do not, must redeem their neglect by maintaining of a poor man. And he who voluntarily dealeth better with the poor man than he is obliged, this shall be better for him. But if ye fast it will be better for you, if ye knew it.   
JM Rodwell   
For certain days. But he among you who shall be sick, or on a journey, shall fast that same number of other days: and as for those who are able to keep it and yet break it, the expiation of this shall be the maintenance of a poor man. And he who of his own  
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Asad   
[fasting] during a certain number of days. But whoever of you is ill, or on a journey, [shall fast instead for the same] number of other days; and [in such cases] it is incumbent upon those who can afford it to make sacrifice by feeding a needy person. And whoever does more good than he is bound to do does good unto himself thereby; for to fast is to do good unto yourselves - if you but knew it.  
al-Baqarah 002:185  
‏2:185 شهر رمضان الذي انزل فيه القران هدى للناس وبينات من الهدى والفرقان فمن شهد منكم الشهر فليصمه ومن كان منكم مريضا او على سفر فعدة من ايام اخر يريد الله بكم اليسر ولايريد بكم العسر ولتكملوا العدة ولتكبروا الله على ماهداكم ولعلكم تشكرون  
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Transliteration Shahru ramadana allathee onzila feehi alqur-anu hudan lilnnasi wabayyinatin mina alhuda waalfurqani faman shahida minkumu alshshahra falyasumhu waman kana mareedan aw AAala safarin faAAiddatun min ayyamin okhara yureedu Allahu bikumu alyusra wala yureedu bikumu alAAusra walitukmiloo alAAiddata walitukabbiroo Allaha AAala ma hadakum walaAAallakum tashkuroona   
Literal   
(The) month (of) Ramadan , which the Koran was descended in it, (is) guidance to the people, and evidences from the guidance and the Separator of Right and Wrong/Koran , so who witnessed from you the month, so he should fast it (E) , and who was sick/diseased or on (a) journey/trip/voyage, so numbered/counted from other days. God wills/wants with you the ease/flexibility and does not want with you the difficulty/hardship , and to complete the term , and to greaten/magnify God on what He guided you, and maybe you thank/be grateful .  
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Yusuf Ali   
Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.   
Pickthal   
The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful.   
Arberry   
the month of Ramadan, wherein the Koran was sent down to be a guidance to the people, and as clear signs of the Guidance and the Salvation. So let those of you, who are present at the month, fast it; and if any of you be sick, or if he be on a journey, then a number of other days; God desires ease for you, and desires not hardship for you; and that you fulfil the number, and magnify God that He has guided you, and haply you will be thankful.   
Shakir   
The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the distinction; therefore whoever of you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or upon a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty, and (He desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the greatness of Allah for His having guided you and that you may give thanks.   
Sarwar   
The month of Ramadan is the month in which the Quran was revealed; a guide for the people, the most authoritative of all guidance and a criteria to discern right from wrong. Anyone of you who knows that the month of Ramadan has begun, he must start to fast. Those who are sick or on a journey have to fast the same number of days at another time. God does not impose any hardship upon you. He wants you to have comfort so that you may complete the fast, glorify God for His having given you guidance, and that, perhaps, you would give Him thanks   
Khalifa   
Ramadan is the month during which the Quran was revealed, providing guidance for the people, clear teachings, and the statute book. Those of you who witness this month shall fast therein. Those who are ill or traveling may substitute the same number of other days. GOD wishes for you convenience, not hardship, that you may fulfill your obligations, and to glorify GOD for guiding you, and to express your appreciation.   
Hilali/Khan   
The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the criterion (between right and wrong). So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Saum (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number (of days which one did not observe Saum (fasts) must be made up) from other days. Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Allah (i.e. to say Takbeer (Allahu-Akbar; Allah is the Most Great) on seeing the crescent of the months of Ramadan and Shawwal) for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Him.   
H/K/Saheeh   
The month of Ramadhan [is that] in which was revealed the Qurâ an, a guidance for the people and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it; and whoever is ill or on a journey then an equal number of other days. Allah intends for you ease and does not intend for you hardship and [wants] for you to complete the period and to glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and perhaps you will be grateful.   
Malik   
It is the month of Ramadhan in which the Qur’an was revealed, a guidance for mankind with clear teachings showing the Right Way and a criterion of truth and falsehood. Therefore, anyone of you who witnesses that month should fast therein, and whoever is ill or upon a journey shall fast a similar number of days later on. Allah intends your well-being and does not want to put you to hardship. He wants you to complete the prescribed period so that you should glorify His Greatness and render thanks to Him for giving you guidance.[185]   
QXP   
The month of Ramadhan has been chosen for your collective training because this is the month in which Revelation of the Qur'an began (with the most revolutionary and Benevolent Message ever). It is Guidance for mankind, and it clearly explains the 'why' of every Rule. And it is the Criterion of right and wrong. So, whoever is at home during this month should participate in the program. Whoever of you is sick or on a journey, let him do Abstinence later. Allah desires for you ease. He desires not hardship for you - and that you should complete the period. (Do not treat this program as just a ritual). The objective of this training is to establish the Greatness of Allah on earth for having placed you on a well-lighted road, and then being practically grateful by sharing His Bounties with others.   
Maulana Ali   
The month of Ramadan is that in which the Qur'an was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the Criterion. So whoever of you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or on a journey, (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days. Allah desires ease for you, and He desires not hardship for you, and (He desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the greatness of Allah for having guided you and that you may give thanks.   
Free Minds   
A month in early autumn, in which the Quran was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you can observe the season, then let him fast therein. And whoever is ill or traveling, then the same number from different days. God wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the count, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.   
Qaribullah   
The month of Ramadan is the month in which the Koran was sent down, a guidance for people, and clear verses of guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever of you witnesses the month, let him fast. But he who is ill, or on a journey shall (fast) a similar number (of days) later on. Allah wants ease for you and does not want hardship for you. And that you fulfill the number of days and exalt Allah who has guided you in order that you be thankful.  
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George Sale   
The month of Ramadan shall ye fast, in which the Koran was sent down from heaven, a direction unto men, and declarations of direction, and the distinction between good and evil. Therefore let him among you who shall be present in this month, fast the same month; but he who shall be sick, or on a journey, shall fast the like number of other days. God would make this an ease unto you, and would not make it a difficulty unto you; that ye may fulfill the number of days, and glorify God, for that he hath directed you, and that ye may give thanks.   
JM Rodwell   
As to the month Ramadhan in which the Koran was sent down to be man's guidance, and an explanation of that guidance, and of that illumination, as soon as any one of you observeth the moon, let him set about the fast; but he who is sick, or upon a journey,  
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Asad   
It was the month of Ramadan in which the Qur'an was [first] bestowed from on high as a guidance unto man and a self-evident proof of that guidance, and as the standard by which to discern the true from the false. Hence, whoever of you lives to see this month shall fast throughout it; but he that is ill, or on a journey, [shall fast instead for the same] number of other days. God wills that you shall have ease, and does not will you to suffer hardship; but [He desires] that you complete the number [of days required], and that you extol God for His having guided you aright, and that you render your thanks [unto Him].  
al-Baqarah 002:186  
‏2:186 واذا سالك عبادي عني فاني قريب اجيب دعوة الداع اذا دعان فليستجيبوا لي وليؤمنوا بي لعلهم يرشدون  
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Transliteration Wa-itha saalaka AAibadee AAannee fa-innee qareebun ojeebu daAAwata alddaAAi itha daAAani falyastajeeboo lee walyu/minoo bee laAAallahum yarshudoona   
Literal   
And if My worshippers/slaves asked/questioned you about Me, so I am near/close, I answer/reply the caller's/requester's call/request/prayer if (he) called/requested/prayed (to) Me , so they should answer/reply to Me and they should believe in Me (E), maybe they be correctly guided .  
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Yusuf Ali   
When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.   
Pickthal   
And when My servants question thee concerning Me, then surely I am nigh. I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he crieth unto Me. So let them hear My call and let them trust in Me, in order that they may be led aright.   
Arberry   
And when My servants question thee concerning Me -- I am near to answer the call of the caller, when he calls to Me; so let them respond to Me, and let them believe in Me; haply so they will go aright.   
Shakir   
And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me, so they should answer My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.   
Sarwar   
(Muhammad), if any of My servants ask you about Me, tell them that the Lord says, "I am near; I accept the prayers of those who pray." Let My servants answer My call and believe in Me so that perhaps they may know the right direction.   
Khalifa   
When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their prayers when they pray to Me. The people shall respond to Me and believe in Me, in order to be guided.   
Hilali/Khan   
And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright.   
H/K/Saheeh   
And when My servants ask you, [O Muúammad], concerning Me indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided.   
Malik   
When my servants question you about Me, tell them that I am very close to them. I answer the prayer of every suppliant when he calls Me; therefore, they should respond to Me and put their trust in Me, so that they may be rightly guided.[186]   
QXP   
(This training program has nothing to do with asceticism or self-denial in any way. The mystics think that enduring hardships and denying themselves the basic needs will bring them close to God). And if My servants ask you concerning Me, behold, I am indeed near. I respond to the call of whoever calls, whenever he calls unto Me. So let them hear My Call and let them trust in Me, that they may be led aright.   
Maulana Ali   
And when My servants ask thee concerning Me, surely I am nigh. I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me, so they should hear My call and believe in Me that they may walk in the right way.   
Free Minds   
And if My servants ask you about Me, I am near answering the calls of those who call to Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me that they may be guided.   
Qaribullah   
When My worshipers ask you about Me, I am near. I answer the supplication of the suppliant when he calls to Me; therefore, let them respond to Me and let them believe in Me, in order that they will be righteous.  
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George Sale   
When my servants ask thee concerning me, verily I am near; I will hear the prayer of him that prayeth, when he prayeth unto me: But let them hearken unto me, and believe in me, that they may be rightly directed.   
JM Rodwell   
And when my servants ask thee concerning me, then will I be nigh unto them. I will answer the cry of him that crieth, when he crieth unto me: but let them hearken unto me, and believe in me, that they may proceed aright.  
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Asad   
AND IF My servants ask thee about Me - behold, I am near; I respond to the call of him who calls, whenever he calls unto Me: let them, then, respond unto Me, and believe in Me, so that they might follow the right way.  
al-Baqarah 002:187  
‏2:187 احل لكم ليلة الصيام الرفث الى نسائكم هن لباس لكم وانتم لباس لهن علم الله انكم كنتم تختانون انفسكم فتاب عليكم وعفا عنكم فالان باشروهن وابتغوا ماكتب الله لكم وكلوا واشربوا حتي يتبين لكم الخيط الابيض من الخيط الاسود من الفجر ثم اتموا الصيام الى الليل ولاتباشروهن وانتم عاكفون في المساجد تلك حدود الله فلا تقربوهاكذلك يبين الله اياته للناس لعلهم يتقون  
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Transliteration Ohilla lakum laylata alssiyami alrrafathu ila nisa-ikum hunna libasun lakum waantum libasun lahunna AAalima Allahu annakum kuntum takhtanoona anfusakum fataba AAalaykum waAAafa AAankum faal-ana bashiroohunna waibtaghoo ma kataba Allahu lakum wakuloo waishraboo hatta yatabayyana lakumu alkhaytu al-abyadu mina alkhayti al-aswadi mina alfajri thumma atimmoo alssiyama ila allayli wala tubashiroohunna waantum AAakifoona fee almasajidi tilka hudoodu Allahi fala taqrabooha kathalika yubayyinu Allahu ayatihi lilnnasi laAAallahum yattaqoona   
Literal   
(It) became/is permitted/allowed to you (the) night of the fasting the obscenity/ indecency (intercourse), to your women (wives), they are (F) a cover/wives to you and you are a cover/husbands tothem (F), God knew that you were betraying/being unfaithful (to) yourselves, so He forgave on you, and He forgave/pardoned on you, so now touch their (F) outer skin , and desire (seek) what God has written/dictated for you, and eat and drink until the thread the white appears from the thread the black from the dawn , then complete the fasting to the night and do not touch their outer skin (while) you are devoting in the mosques/places of worshipping God. Those are God's limits/orders , so do not approach/near it, like that God clarifies His verses/evidences to the people, maybe they fear and obey (God).  
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Yusuf Ali   
Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.   
Pickthal   
It is made lawful for you to go in unto your wives on the night of the fast. They are raiment for you and ye are raiment for them. Allah is Aware that ye were deceiving yourselves in this respect and He hath turned in mercy toward you and relieved you. So hold intercourse with them and seek that which Allah hath ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white thread becometh distinct to you from the black thread of the dawn. Then strictly observe the fast till nightfall and touch them not, but be at your devotions in the mosques. These are the limits imposed by Allah, so approach them not. Thus Allah expoundeth His revelation to mankind that they may ward off (evil).   
Arberry   
Permitted to you, upon the night of the Fast, is to go in to your wives; -- they are a vestment for you, and you are a vestment for them. God knows that you have been betraying yourselves, and has turned to you and pardoned you. So now lie with them, and seek what God has prescribed for you. And eat and drink, until the white thread shows clearly to you from the black thread at the dawn; then complete the Fast unto the night, and do not lie with them while you cleave to the mosques. Those are God's bounds; keep well within them. So God makes clear His signs to men; haply they will be godfearing.   
Shakir   
It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them; Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves, so He has turned to you (mercifully) and removed from you (this burden); so now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you, and eat and drink until the whiteness of the day becomes distinct from the blackness of the night at dawn, then complete the fast till night, and have not contact with them while you keep to the mosques; these are the limits of Allah, so do not go near them. Thus does Allah make clear His communications for men that they may guard (against evil).   
Sarwar   
It is made lawful for you, during the nights of fasting, to have carnal relations with your wives. They are your garments and you are their garments. God knew that you were deceiving yourselves. He relented towards you and forgave you. Now it is lawful for you to have carnal relations with your wives and follow what God has commanded. Eat and drink until the white streak of dawn becomes distinguishable from darkness. Complete your fast, starting from dawn to dusk. It is not lawful to have carnal relations with your wives during i'tikaf in the mosque. Such are the limits of the laws of God. Do not come close to transgressing them. Thus has God explained His evidence to men so that perhaps they will have fear of God.   
Khalifa   
Permitted for you is sexual intercourse with your wives during the nights of fasting. They are the keepers of your secrets, and you are the keepers of their secrets. GOD knew that you used to betray your souls, and He has redeemed you, and has pardoned you. Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what GOD has permitted for you. You may eat and drink until the white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night at dawn. Then, you shall fast until sunset. Sexual intercourse is prohibited if you decide to retreat to the masjid (during the last ten days of Ramadan). These are GOD's laws; you shall not transgress them. GOD thus clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may attain salvation.   
Hilali/Khan   
It is made lawful for you to have sexual relations with your wives on the night of As-Saum (the fasts). They are Leebas (i.e. body cover, or screen, or Sakan, (i.e. you enjoy the pleasure of living with her - as in Verse 7:189) Tafsir At-Tabaree), for you and you are the same for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned to you (accepted your repentance) and forgave you. So now have sexual relations with them and seek that which Allah has ordained for you (offspring), and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night), then complete your Saum (fast) till the nightfall. And do not have sexual relations with them (your wives) while you are in Itikaf (i.e. confining oneself in a mosque for prayers and invocations leaving the worldly activities) in the mosques. These are the limits (set) by Allah, so approach them not. Thus does Allah make clear His Ayat (proofs, evidences, lessons, signs, revelations, verses, laws, legal and illegal things, Allahs set limits, orders, etc.) to mankind that they may become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious - see V.2:2).   
H/K/Saheeh   
It has been made permissible for you the night preceding fasting to go to your wives [for sexual relations]. They are clothing for you and you are clothing for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He accepted your repentance and forgave you. So now, have relations with them and seek that which Allah has decreed for you. And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread [of night]. Then complete the fast until the sunset. And do not have relations with them as long as you are staying for worship in the mosques. These are the limits [set by] Allah, so do not approach them. Thus does Allah make clear His ordinances to the people that they may become righteous.   
Malik   
It is made lawful for you to approach your wives during the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you for them. Allah knows that you were committing dishonesty to your souls. So He has relented towards you and pardoned you. Now, you may approach and seek what Allah has written for you. Eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread of night, then complete your fast till nightfall. Do not approach your wives during I‘htikaf (retreat in the mosques in last ten days of Ramadhan). These are the limits set by Allah: do not ever violate them. Thus Allah makes His revelations clear to mankind so that they may guard themselves against evil.[187]   
QXP   
(The Abstinence is only for the daytime. Eating, drinking, and going to your wives is not forbidden during the night). It is Lawful to go to your wives on the night of the Abstinence. They are your garments and you are their garments - close to each other, source of mutual comfort, complementing each other, trustworthy and keepers of privacy, reason for décor, and redressers of faults. ('Libas' embraces all the meanings given). Allah turns to you in Kindness and dispels and pardons your unworthy fears of disobedience at night. Freeing yourselves of misconceptions, keep seeking in life that Allah has decreed to be available for you. So, eat and drink until the white line of dawn becomes distinct for you from the black line of night. Then you shall be in Abstinence until night begins to fall. During this training program, some of you will be called on deputation in local Centers of the Divine Order. (This will be an assignment from the State. During that special duty you will learn, consult and plan the governmental and social affairs). So you will have to divert your attention from personal matters, even from intimately touching your wives. These are the limits imposed by Allah, so overstep them not. Thus it is that Allah explains His Messages to mankind that they may walk aright.   
Maulana Ali   
It is made lawful for you to go in to your wives on the night of the fast. They are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them. Allah knows that you acted unjustly to yourselves, so He turned to you in mercy and removed (the burden) from you. So now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you, and eat and drink until the whiteness of the day becomes distinct from the blackness of the night at dawn, then complete the fast till nightfall, and touch them not while you keep to the mosques. These are the limits of Allah, so go not near them. Thus does Allah make clear His messages for men that they may keep their duty.   
Free Minds   
It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray your souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are God's boundaries, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God makes His revelations clear to the people that they may be righteous.   
Qaribullah   
Permitted to you, on the night of the Fast, is the approach to your wives; they are raiments for you, as you are raiments for them. Allah knows that you have been deceiving yourselves. He has accepted and pardoned you. Therefore, you may now touch them and seek what Allah has ordained for you. Eat and drink until the white thread becomes clear to you from a black thread at the dawn. Then resume the fast till nightfall and do not touch them while you cleave to the mosques. These are the Bounds of Allah, do not come near them. As such He makes known His verses to people so that they will be cautious.  
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George Sale   
It is lawful for you on the night of the fast to go in unto your wives; they are a garment unto you, and ye are a garment unto them. God knoweth that ye defraud your selves therein, wherefore he turneth unto you, and forgiveth you. Now therefore go in unto them; and earnestly desire that which God ordaineth you, and eat and drink until ye can plainly distinguish a white thread from a black thread by the day-break: Then keep the fast until night, and go not in unto them, but be constantly present in the places of worship. These are the prescribed bounds of God, therefore draw not near them to transgress them. Thus God declareth his signs unto men, that they may fear him.   
JM Rodwell   
You are allowed on the night of the fast to approach your wives: they are your garment and ye are their garment. God knoweth that ye defraud yourselves therein, so He turneth unto you and forgiveth you! Now, therefore, go in unto them with full desire for  
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Asad   
IT IS lawful for you to go in unto your wives during the night preceding the [day's] fast: they are as a garment for you, and you are as a garment for them. God is aware that you would have deprived yourselves of this right, and so He has turned unto you in His mercy and removed this hardship from you. Now, then, you may lie with them skin to skin, and avail yourselves of that which God has ordained for you, and eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of dawn against the blackness of night, and then resume fasting until nightfall; but do not lie with them skin to skin when you are about to abide.in meditation in houses of worship. These are the bounds set by God: do not, then, offend against them - [for] it is thus that God makes clear His messages unto mankind, so that they might remain conscious of Him.  
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Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (views: 166)  
Umar -- Saturday, 24 October 2009, 4:34 am  
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (views: 213)  
Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 24 October 2009, 8:47 am  
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Mohammad Abdul Shukoor -- Saturday, 24 October 2009, 4:15 pm  
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (views: 153)  
Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 24 October 2009, 5:05 pm  
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (views: 107)  
mshukoor@hotmail.com -- Sunday, 25 October 2009, 11:40 am  
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Dr. Shabbir -- Sunday, 25 October 2009, 12:08 pm  
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Zubair -- Saturday, 24 October 2009, 11:37 am  
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (views: 158)  
Dr. Shabbir -- Saturday, 24 October 2009, 2:08 pm  
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Jawaid Ahmed -- Monday, 26 October 2009, 8:16 am  
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Dr. Shabbir -- Monday, 26 October 2009, 9:12 am  
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UmeAimon -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, 2:34 am  
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Mehnaz -- Thursday, 29 October 2009, 8:10 am  
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Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Mohammad Abdul Shukoor  
Date: Saturday, 24 October 2009, 4:15 pm  
In Response To: Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Dr. Shabbir)  
Br.Shabbir Sahib,.You have mentioned"Fasting Punishment" in your Blog just like Dr Qamaruzzama describing Saum as punishment.How is the Fast punishment as Dr qamaruzzama mentioned in Haqeeqat e Saum?And how do you look Fast as punishment while actually it is prescribed for training purpose.Pl clarify.  
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Dr. Shabbir  
Date: Saturday, 24 October 2009, 5:05 pm  
In Response To: Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Mohammad Abdul Shukoor)  
Dear brother,  
Please read my post again. SAUM is prescribed, not Fasting - details given in the post. I did not use the word Fasting in QXP either.  
If you enjoy Fasting, it's fine with me. I am committed to SAUM, not Fasting.  
Punishment: Ask anyone working outdoors at 118 degrees F. I did.  
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:mshukoor@hotmail.com  
Date: Sunday, 25 October 2009, 11:40 am  
In Response To: Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Dr. Shabbir)  
Dear Br, Thanks.I have gone thro.your post in detail & what I understand is having self control,self sacrifice & serving humanity during this month as Training.But in my humble opinion can we not add avoidance of Food & Water also in day time during this month as a part of training?   
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Dr. Shabbir  
Date: Sunday, 25 October 2009, 12:08 pm  
In Response To: Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (mshukoor@hotmail.com)  
Dear brother,  
Why not? You can if it is easy for you. But, according to my humble research, SAUM is, but fasting is not, something ordained.  
Again, no one has to agree with this lifelong student.  
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Zubair  
Date: Saturday, 24 October 2009, 11:37 am  
In Response To: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Umar)  
Dear Brother Umar & Dr. Shabbir,  
We should not rush. It would be best if we do further studies, research, and pondering over this issue before reaching a decision once and for all. Also, the members of the Forum need an opportunity to read Dr. Qamar Zaman’s book “Haqiqat Soam” in English. I am done with ¾ of the book and hope to complete the rest within a week or so. Then, I will request Dr. Qamar Zaman once again to allow me to post the translation on the Forum in parts. Of course the book has to be published on his website first.  
This job of translation could have been accomplished much earlier. My plan was to use time on weekends to do the job. But often I had to take trips to campuses on weekends to drop or buy stuff for our children. Then, early this month received letters from USCIS demanding more evidence to establish relationship before they could approve immigrant applications for my three brothers and sister. And they needed all the documents before Nov 12. As you know Paki agencies are terrible at keeping any type of records. They could not locate even a single birth record for the family and told us the records were either misplaced or lost. USCIS wanted an Official Statement from the relevant authority explaining why the birth records were not available. When asked for the Official Statement, they began to search for the birth records and, finally, located them in another district, not ours. In brief we got the birth certificates and an additional Affidavit as well. But the USCIS guys insisted they needed all the documents requested in the letter or else our applications would be denied. Paki agency would not give us the Statement on the grounds that they had already issued the birth certificates. It was like a catch 22. Finally, I reached a USCIS representative who had some good common sense. She agreed with me that a birth certificate was far better than an official statement to establish the relationship. She was kind enough to provide me with other valuable information about how to boast the evidence. Also, she gave me physical address of the USCIS, so I could send documents via FedEx for Overnight delivery.   
 
 
And here comes the killer comment be Dr. Shabbir in reply to Zubair's suggestion to wait to reach the conclusions.  
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Dr. Shabbir  
Date: Saturday, 24 October 2009, 2:08 pm  
In Response To: Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Zubair)  
Dear brother Zubair,  
I did not hurry. Think: From age 10 to today :-) Then another one month of extra contemplation.  
Although I have read all of his book, I am not following Dr Qamar Zaman at all. In fact, I respectfully disagree with much of his logic, linguistics and overstretching of the Arabic terms and grammar.  
My observations are simple, original and quite different.  
Thanks for your understanding!  
 
 
Now the comments from the heir apparent Jawaid Ahmed and see how Dr Shabbir shift his position. The strategy is to first support an idea and then demolish it.  
 
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Jawaid Ahmed  
Date: Monday, 26 October 2009, 8:16 am  
In Response To: Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Dr. Shabbir)  
Dear Dr Saab,  
Respectfully find my response to your answer on Saum.   
This “rumble in the jungle” had us watching the proceedings, with plenty of “floating like a butterfly” but I have not seen the “sting like a bee”, knockout blow which occurred with Salat verses namaz. There we had a devastating destruction of the Persian inspired ritual of namaz, but this has not happened with Saum.   
Let me go through your response:-  
SAUM = Self-control = Going the extra mile to avoid any violation = Refrain from trespassing = Discourage vice and promote virtue by example = Stop enemy’s advance = Rabaat or guarding the Islamic frontiers = Take extra burden for the welfare of society = Jihad with wealth and person = To strengthen one’s character = Sacrifice for the fellow man.  
These are all things we should be doing every day of the week, 24/7, so why does the Quran say this is for one month, Ramadan, instead of all year round? Salat is all year round.  
Strengthening ones character requires some sort of test- there is “no gain without pain”, so where and what is the test if there is eating and drinking during the day?  
There is a Hadith where the exalted Prophet (S) is reported to have admired those Sahaba Kiraam who had not fasted and were busy fixing tents, cutting grass, tending animals, while those who fasted lay flat on the ground. He said, “Most certainly, the non-fasters have outdone the fasting ones”. [I doubt that people ever fasted in that blessed era since it was a late Imamist innovation.]  
Could this hadith be forged to allow those who did not want to fast (95% according to your figures) to get away with this? If the Imams were trying to forge hadith to justify the “innovation” of fast for Saum, they would have written that “most fasters have outdone the non-fasters”.  
A Fabrication: We know that the breath of a fasters stinks like a skunk after mid-day. A Hadith cames to the rescue, "The foul smell from the mouth of a faster is dearer to Allah than pure musk." :-)  
Science has proved that in the first few days of fasting, the body gets rid of more toxins through the kidneys and lungs, caused by not eating while active. The body is able to use the energy normally used during digestion to eliminate these toxins more effectively, hence we become healthier.  
The Sunni Pillars:   
*Iman (Faith) – *Salat (Relegated to ritual prayers five times a day) - *Zakaat (distorted as annual charity or poor-due) - *Saum (Fasting in the month of Ramadhan) - *Hajj (Pilgrimage to Makkah).   
The pot belly clergy, however, abjectly fail to describe a beautiful building on these “pillars”.  
Red herring. All the five concepts have been ritualised, corrupted, but they are still in the Quran in one place or another. Islam is not based on them but we still have to undertake them in their correct forms.  
Arif Shamim’s point is very strong: that the elite of any community are the first ones to oppose Divine commands. But, they seem to thrive on the empty ritual of fasting. Social partying, glittering dress and ornaments, invitations & counter invitations, show off of piety, and display of "generosity" fattens their ego. Iftar time has become a fashion show.  
A Christian believes that Jesus is God, do we reject Jesus because of this falsehood? We look at the correct understanding from the Quran and reject the falsehood, not the Messenger Jesus. When people are not undertaking fasting correctly, we should reject their wrong practices and not reject the true concept they should be doing. If Muslims practice 99% wrong beliefs and actions (1.4 million hadith to bury the Quran under) then when they get irritated, over eat, indulge in parties and show off during Ramadan, this shows their lack of true belief, not the wrong in fasting.  
Hajj has become an annual holiday to receive blessings and forgiveness of sins etc. Do we give this up completely or do we try and establish an annual gathering of mankind to sort out the worlds problems? Again, if most are not doing something correctly, we should look at what is required, not reject it completely. Fasting has not been proved to be not a part of Saum.  
WHAT IS SAUM? Ramadan is a month of collective training for Muslims to intensify their efforts in following Divine commands and truly bring into practice self-control, self-sacrifice, and community service. It also entails warding off vice and promoting virtue by personal example. Most of these activities can take place only outdoors but the "fasters" would rather spend their days in cool shades playing with rosary beads, the Quran and Jaa-Namaaz (the prayer rug).  
All of these can take place throughout the year but does the Quran say to undertake it during one month of Ramadan or not? It does say this so there must be something added to this in order to train our minds and bodies, and that is abstinence from eating and drinking during daylight.  
In my humble opinion, 5 times daily NAMAZ and one month yearly FASTING were introduced to Islam by the Ajami Criminals to make Muslims worthless to the society. So, since teenage, I have not fallen for these empty rituals.  
Five times namaz is not in the Quran, Salat is and means, in short, “to understand and follow the laws and principles of the Quran”. Empty rituals are rejected by most free and intellectual thinkers, but most rituals have a base where we can understand what should be done in the correct manner. Why does fast need to be eliminated when Saum has the meaning of “abstinence”, surely it should be included in this overall meaning as well. My father also rejected fast in his teens; he feinted in Pakistan one hot day and said that was it for him. He did not, however, discourage anyone else from doing so and I know you are also not discouraging others, but had you continued with fast since your teens, would you be opposed to it now? Did you know then as much as you know now, to intellectually make a decision to stop, or was it motivated by something else?  
If you had presented one incorrect translation then that was sufficient proof, but where was the correct translation? According to QXiv:-  
2:183 (Creating an ideal society requires discipline and self-restraint among the individuals.) O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Abstinence (from food, drink and sex during the daytime) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you so that you get empowered against evil.   
[I have translated Saum as ‘Abstinence’ instead of the common ‘fasting’ since it involves more than fasting, such as abstaining from intimate husband-wife relationship. Moreover, Saum literally means self-restraint, and not fasting, hence, it includes desisting from common vices such as impatience, anger, unfair criticism, envy etc. Taqwa = Journeying in security = Being careful = Getting empowered against evil = To avoid overstepping the Laws = Exercising caution = Strengthening one’s ‘self’ = Preserving the ‘self’ against deterioration = Good conduct. Muttaqeen = Those endowed with Taqwa]   
2:184 Just for a fixed number of days. But if any of you is sick or he is on a journey, he may make up the same number of days later. For those who can go through Abstinence only with hardship, there is a ransom: the feeding of an indigent. Any additional charity will bring additional reward. However, if you knew better, going through the training program of Abstinence is good for you.   
2:185 The month of Ramadhan has been chosen for this collective training since this is the month in which the Qur’an was revealed, a Guidance for mankind, clearly explaining the ‘why’ of every Rule. And it is the Criterion of right and wrong. Hence, whoever witnesses this month should participate in the program of Abstinence. But if any of you is sick or on a journey, let him practice Abstinence for the same number of days later. God desires for you ease, and He desires for you no hardship. The postponement is to enable you to complete the period. The objective of this training is to establish the supremacy of God (on earth) for, He has shown you a well-lighted road, and for you to show gratitude.   
[The entire Qur’an was revealed upon the Prophet’s heart (‘down-loaded’) in Ramadhan of 610 CE in the order as we see today. Thereafter, it was conveyed to people in stages. The concepts therein are not defunct theories and empty hypotheses. It has a Permanent Universal Code of Values and Laws. The yearly training of Abstinence in this month connects the Message with intensive reflection and study. Note: The Qur’an does not forbid menstruating women from praying or participating in the program of Abstinence. However, a menstruating woman may be considered unwell. The only thing forbidden by the Qur’an during menstruation is intimate husband-wife relationship. Shukr does not mean just verbal thanks. It involves showing gratitude in practice by sharing the God-given bounties with others. 2:87-97, 2:185 2:222, 2:233, 7:189, 9:32-33, 14:1, 16:2, 17:85-86, 26:193, 31:14, 42:52, 44:1-4, 46:15, 70:4, 81:17-19, 97:1]   
2:186 (This training program has nothing to do with asceticism. The mystics think that self-denial will bring them close to God.) So, when My servants ask you about Me, surely, I am Near. I respond to the call of him who calls, whenever he calls unto Me. Let them, then, respond to Me and believe in Me, so that they might follow the right way.   
[God’s response = A sincere caller will be shown the right direction = This Divine Writ, Al-Qur’an has answers to all their questions. 3:193-195, 7:56, 8:24, 32:15-16, 40:60, 42:25-26]   
2:187 (Abstinence is only for the daytime.) It has been made Lawful for you to go unto your wives on the night of the Abstinence. They are your garments and you are their garments - close to each other, source of mutual comfort, complementing each other, trustworthy and keepers of privacy, reason for décor, and redressers of faults. God knows that you would have deprived yourselves and so He turns to you and pardons your misconceptions. So, now you may have intimate relations with them and, besides, seek all good that God has ordained for you. You may eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of light against the black streak of night at daybreak. Then complete the Abstinence until sunset. Do not have intimate relations with them while on special assignments in the Centers of the Divine System. These are the bounds set by God - so come not near violating them. It is thus that God explains His Commands unto mankind clearly, so that they understand and live upright.   
[I’tikaaf = Special task = To be deputed = Extra duty = Unique assignment. ‘Aakifoon = Those on I’tikaaf. Unfortunately, under the Ajami (alien) influences, the concept given to I’tikaaf has reduced this Sublime Ordinance to ten days of ascetic and ritualistic isolation in a mosque in the third part of Ramadhan. Obviously, this invented practice violates the Qur’anic injunctions against monasticism and human rights. (57:27). Libaas = Garment = Raiment embraces all the meanings rendered]   
2:188 (When you abstain from the Permissible during the annual training period, you empower yourselves to easily refrain from the Forbidden.) So, knowingly, do not devour the wealth and property of one another in a wrongful manner, nor bribe the officials or the judges to deprive others of their rightful belongings. This kind of behavior drags down your own humanity and harms the collective welfare of the society. [Ithm carries all the meanings given in the last sentence]  
Something different happens in Ramadan which we are not to do during the rest of the year but which helps us to become better human beings. This is abstinence from food and water when we are awake. We can practice the new idea of abstinence (which does not require us to stop eating) at any time and what has a journey got to do with stopping this? It makes no sense unless we see the complete Saum as including fast. What hardship is felt with the new Saum interpretation while undertaking journeys? Also, anyone working in harsh environments, the ill, the elderly, are all exempt, since they can have adverse effects that are detrimental to their health. Feeding “indignant” can also be done every day of the year, why just in Ramadan when we cannot do “Saum” if we are ill or on a journey?  
118 centigrade heat should mean we are exempt because this is a hardship we cannot endure without cheating (sleeping during the day, awake all night), or getting frustrated during the day! We know that Allah has not placed any burden upon us that we cannot bear, so not fasting during extremes of heat, or work or travelling etc, should be looked at with understanding and not seen as something tantamount to shirk, which most N2I do. We can stop fasting when we feel the need to do so, but it is still a part of Saum.  
“Complete the abstinence till sunset” means what? We can develop self control during the night as well, but what are we told to stop during the day that we can do during the night?  
Allah knows that mankind would move towards a sedentary lifestyle in towns and cities; at one time the majority had to work for their procurement of food, for example ploughing the fields or hunting and scavenging. Hence, the need to have a month long “training period” to “fine tune” our bodies; an annual MOT (a term used for an annual maintenance check on our cars in the UK). In cars the old oil is replaced, the brakes are checked etc. As I have stated previously, in fasting our bodies are purged of toxins and our minds are “re-focussed” on our social obligations. Periods of fast have been shown scientifically to benefit the body and mind, but only when done correctly. There is no detrimental effect on us from fasting correctly, which the blind, ritualised namaz produces.   
Does the following not include fasting as a means of correcting oneself; if it does not, then what should be undertaken for two months?  
58:3 Hence, those of you who have made senseless declarations about their wives, estranged them, and then wish to go back on their utterance - they should free a human being from bondage before the couple may have intimate relations with each other. This you are admonished to perform. And God is aware of all you do. [Freeing from bondage includes relieving someone from any kind of oppression and from a crushing burden of debt]   
58:4 However, he who does not have the means thereof, let him observe Saum (Abstinence as in the month of Ramadhan 2:183) for two consecutive months before the couple may intimately touch each other. And if he is unable to do that either, he should arrange the feeding of sixty needy ones. This is so that you might be true to your faith in God and His Messenger. These are the bounds ordained by God. And for the deniers of the Divine Commands is a painful doom.   
58:5 Surely, those who oppose God and His Messenger will be disgraced as were disgraced those before their times. Thus, We have sent down clear messages, and for the rejecters is a shameful suffering.  
My apologies for presenting Parwez Saabs “incorrect” verses of the above , but I for one have not been convinced by any argument to reject fasting as a requirement of Saum, and his verses are fully detailed and clear in their explanation:-  
183-184 Self-control is a prerequisite both for steadfastness and fortitude in the battlefield as well as for establishing a just and equitable socio-economic system. In other words, in case of a conflict between your physical drives and lofty human values, you should uphold the latter. Furthermore, you should habituate yourself to leading a hard and laborious life. For this purpose fasting has been made obligatory for you as it was for earlier communities, in order that you may live according to the Divine Laws and protect yourself from the pitfalls of life. Fasting is for a prescribed number of days (as fixation of time itself is an aid to disciplined life). If (during Ramadan) any of you is sick or on a journey (and misses some fasts) he must complete the prescribed number by fasting on other days. But if a person is neither sick nor on a journey yet cannot fast except with great hardship and, therefore, cannot make up missed fasts, he should provided food for a person in need in lieu thereof.  
It is evident that the condition of the last named category of persons cannot be determined by Law. It is for you yourself to determine if you are unable to fast except with great hardship. If on assessing your own condition you conclude that the odds are even, then it is better for you to fast even if it is (relatively) hard for you, because the purpose which is served by fasting cannot be attained by providing food to another, provided you understand the rationale for fasting.   
185 Here the question arises as to why the month of Ramadan was chosen for this collective (as well as individual) exercise in self-discipline. The answer is that Ramadan is the month during which the revelation of the Quran began which shows all humanity the clear path leading to its ultimate goal, revealing those permanent values whereby one can distinguish truth from falsehood. The discipline learned through fasting is an annual training to remain in a state of preparedness for the accomplishment of this lofty programme. Hence a person who is at home during this month should fast. If a person is sick or on a journey, he should, as already stated, complete the prescribed number of fasts by fasting on other days (and the concession allowed to a person who cannot fast except with great hardship has been mentioned earlier). Allah wants to make things easy for you and does not want to subject you to hardships and difficulties. Mark again that fasting is not a mere rite. Its purpose is to enable you to establish on the one hand supremacy of the Divine Laws in the world, in the light of the Guidance given to you (9/33) and on the other enable you to nourish your own potentialities.   
186 In the context of the obligation to fast, do not think that by restricting the fulfilling of human needs to prescribed times and by abstaining from material indulgences, one is attaining closeness to Allah (as was believed to be the case amongst monastic cults). (O Rasool!) when My devotees ask you about Me, tell them that I am close to them at all times. (This means that) when anyone calls upon Me to lead him to the right path, My Guidance which is preserved in the Quran, answers his call. Therefore, tell them that the way to attain the nearness of Allah is to adhere to My Laws fully, believing implicitly in their validity (7/56, 8/24, 32/15-16, 40/60, 42/26). By following these Laws they will be able to walk firmly upon the right path of life.   
187 Take note that fasting is only from dawn to dusk. During other hours, eating, drinking or having sexual intercourse with one’s wife is not prohibited. The relationship between the two spouses is a most intimate one. Monasticism engendered the concept that celibacy is a means of attaining closeness to Allah, but He is well aware of the importance of the intimate relationship between spouses in fulfilling human needs, and also the perversions, fantasies and self-deception to which renunciation of marital relationships lead (57/21). Human beings may set unnatural limits upon themselves, but Allah’s Law rising above all such limits, dispels your doubts and anxieties and makes it clear that in the hours from dusk to dawn you are permitted to cohabit with your wives, as well as partake of food and drink. From dawn to dusk you are required to fast. If after dusk you are detained at your centre (of training or activity e.g. Masjid) in order to ponder or resolve some important issue or problem, then you should devote your total attention to the task in hand and refrain from going home.   
These are the Laws laid down by Allah regarding matters which have been discussed above. You should adhere to them. Allah explains His Laws clearly so that people can fully understand and follow them.   
188 (As mentioned earlier) always keep this fact in mind that the purpose of fasting is to create in you the self-discipline by means of which you can distinguish between what is lawful and unlawful in all spheres of life and to reject the latter no matter how strongly you are attracted to it. For instance, do not devour another’s property or bribe officials to give you that which belongs to another person when you are aware of the consequences that follow from acquiring anything unfairly. The purpose of fasting is, thus, to develop your personality in the manner described above.   
189 We have stated earlier that fasting is during the month of Ramadan. This has led some people to think that some months are auspicious and some are inauspicious and they have referred the matter to you. O Rasool! say to them that it is mere superstition to call some months (or days) auspicious or inauspicious. In fact, specification of time is only to determine the calendar. The advantage of having a calendar is obvious – for instance, it enables you to know when the Hajj is to be performed. Tell them clearly that superstition has no place in Deen. For instance, the belief that during the Hajj, the house should be entered from the back and not from the front-door is only a superstition. Righteousness is not associated with such rites. It is concerned only with the degree to which you adhere to the Divine Laws and with the sublimity of your character. Therefore, set aside such ignorant practices and enter houses during the Hajj as you do during other days.  
Follow the Divine Laws and live according to your normal routine. This is the way to achieve success and bliss in life.  
FOLLOW THE DIVINE LAWS AND NOURISH YOURSELF WITH SELF DISCIPLINE.  
Self discipline will not occur without the “test” of fasting.  
I too am fallible and I only mean to raise my concerns and arguments in an endeavour to find the truth.  
Salam   
Jawaid Ahmed.   
 
Now watch the shifting sand  
 
Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum"  
By:Dr. Shabbir  
Date: Monday, 26 October 2009, 9:12 am  
In Response To: Re: Dr. Shabbir’s position on "Haqeeqate Saum" (Jawaid Ahmed)  
Dear Jawaid Saheb,  
Thank you for a detailed, rational and convincing response.  
QXP respectfully heals Exposition of the great Allama at numerous places.  
Two out of the nearly 600 examples:  
2:223 Remember that women in the society are the guardians of your future generations, just as a garden keeps the seeds and turns them into flowering plants. So, whenever you meet with women socially, treat them with respect, keeping the aforementioned principle in mind. This conduct will go a long way to insure the betterment of the future generations. Send forth good today for the sake of tomorrow. Be mindful of God and know that you will, one day, face Him. O Messenger! Give good news to the believers. [Nisaa = Women, not wives]  
7:143 When Moses arrived at the appointed time, and his Lord spoke to him, Moses said, "My Lord! Give me the power to better perceive You." His Lord said, "You will not perceive Me unless you look pensively at the mountain. If it remains firm in its place, then shall you perceive Me." (You will realize that even a single mountain is made of countless particles that were scattered as dust and it is your Lord Who has made it stand firm.) Thus did his Lord choose for the mountain to be a manifestation of His glory. Moses pictured the mountain as dust and was stunned! When he recovered his senses, he said, "Infinite are You in Your glory! I turn to you repentant and I am among the foremost believers.”  
[The 7,359 feet high Mount Sinai is standing to this day. Therefore, contrary to popular literal translation of this verse, its understanding in allegorical terms is preferred. Also, a Prophet of God is least likely to make a demand to see God in physical form. See 2:55, 2:118, 7:155. Now let us suppose that it was some other mountain that had crumbled to dust. In that case, the place would most certainly have become the greatest historical relic of all times. As I have stated in preface to QXPi, the earliest Tafseers of the Qur’an were written centuries after the exalted Prophet. By then the Ajami (Zoroastrian-Persian, alien) politics and culture dominated the Islamic Empire centered in Baghdad. It is a hard fact of the historical dynamics that the rulers' political supremacy profoundly affects the culture and language of the entire nation. Just as an example, Khalifa Haroon Rasheed's mother Khaizran was a Zoroastrian (Parsi or Maggian), and so were his wives. Khaizran’s son, the succeeding Khalifa Mamoon's wives were also Ajami. Even the Baramakah, the viziers of the Empire were Ajamis. So, the Zoroa-Persian concepts left a very heavy impact on the Arabic language, giving Ajami (alien) concepts even to the Qur’anic themes and terminology - So much so that they became Ma’roof (generally recognized and well-accepted). Let us see how our clergy handled this verse. They had the unchangeable Qur’an before them, but the concepts they adopted were foreign and pliable like wax. A Hadith was concocted in the name of the exalted Messenger. Here it is as related by a recent Mullah: "The Prophet, after reciting this verse (7:143), placed his thumb on the little finger and said that only this much of the light of God had touched the mountain. Therefore, only that much portion (the size of a little finger) of the mountain was affected."   
- Ma'arifil Qur’an, Mufti Aazam (the Chief Mufti) of Pakistan, ‘Maulana’ Mufti Muhammad Shafi; tafseer of 7:143 vol 4 - quoting Anas bin Malik from the ancient Tirmizi, Hanbal and Hakam. Whoever made up this Hadith forgot that the wrong Ajami translations talk of the whole mountain crumbling to dust!]  
I did not incorporate my understanding of SAUM in QXP for lack of conviction.  
Your response further weakens my understanding. Another round of reflection promised.  
Thanks again!  
 

Comments by: Frank_Talk On 02 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear all, Salam  
 
Please note Dr. Shabbir;s use of "Fasting Punishment" in my previous post. Now he says it is not punishment. It seems that he goes by the rule, " if he said it, I oppose it".

Comments by: pervez On 02 September 2010Report Abuse
 
 
O, MY GOD, I AM REALLY ASTONISHED, AFTER READING ABOVE POST. , A PERSON COULD BE SO DUBIOUS,  
 
UNBALANCED, THAN A SCHOLAR TOO???  
 

Comments by: bob On 02 September 2010Report Abuse
By: bob  
Date: Wednesday, 1 September 2010, 1:50 pm  
In Response To: Re: SAY "YES" TO SAUM! (*Dr. Shabbir)  
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119156033  
 
Dear Dr Shabbir, thank you for replying, I really appreciate it.  
 
What I understand from your explanation is that Saum is not just “fasting” (no food or drink) but it includes refraining from sexual intercourse with your own wife too. I’m glad your thoughts on “Soum” are evolving, so are mine!  
 
Why draw parallels between sex, food and drink, they are not on the same level? without food, we will die, but we can survive without sex.  
 
We did not give them bodies that would not require food, nor were they immortal. (21:8)  
 
If “taqwah” is achieved through Soum, then we need to understand what taqwah is.  
 
Let’s see what the Qur'an has stated regarding noble men who have achieved such a dignified status of “Muttaqi”  
 
(2:177)  
 
…….. But righteousness is that:  
 
• One has conviction in God  
• And the Last Day  
• And the Angels  
• And the Book  
• And the prophets.  
 
Meaning: He lives in conviction (AMN) with the laws of Allah, the last day, malaika, the book and the prophets.  
 
What is Imaan? Below are quoted works of Dr Manzoor Alam  
 
"""Aspects of Iman  
 
Man has been granted a mind which enables him to think, and through the instrument of intellect, is supposed to build up a system of knowledge. Reason converts the raw data supplied by the senses into knowledge and the Qur’an assigns to reason an important role in life:  
 
"The worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use their intellect to understand." (8:22)  
 
This is a graphic description of the degradation of man when he does not employ reason to his service. Such a man, the Qur’an tells us, not only lives a worthless and debased life here but also renders himself unfit for the hereafter which he enters after death:  
Thus, Iman has to be individually acquired which requires that each of us consciously strive to acquire knowledge and understanding by using our own God-given gift of reason and intellect in the light of the revelation given in the Qur’an, so that Iman can enter our hearts.  
 
Let us list here several aspects of Iman from the Qur’an which shed light on its reality:  
 
Iman is not to accept it with the tongue but to accept it with the heart. (2:8-9)  
To accept everything which the Qur’an says as truth is Iman. (2:26)  
In order to acquire Iman in Allah, it is necessary to first reject every authority other than Allah. (2:25-26)  
Iman will lead human beings from darkness towards light. (2:257)  
In matters of Iman, one’s profession is irrelevant. (26:111-112)  
Unless Iman enters the heart, it cannot be called Iman (and consequently, one cannot call oneself Mu’min). One can only say that one has surrendered to Islam. (49:14)  
Allah does not discard anyone’s Iman. (2:143)  
 
Finally, an important aspect which must be emphasized here is that no form of force or coercion (direct or indirect, temporal or spiritual) can be used in connection with Iman. This is because it contradicts the very definition of Iman. (As we have seen, Iman is derived from a-m-n which means peace in the heart.) So any forced conversion cannot be allowed in Islam. In fact, forced Iman is no Iman at all.""""  
 
http://www.tolueislam.com/bazms/Mansoor/MA_what_is_iman.htm  
 
None of this is possible if you do not STUDY each and every topic. To live in “Amn” and to become a momin, one must employ the use of reason in order to gain “Imaan”. Abstinence from food, drink and sex will not help here.  
 
Cont (2:177):  
 
And that he gives his cherished wealth to: -  
 
• Family and relatives  
• Orphans  
• Widows  
• Those left helpless in the society  
• And those whose hard-earned income fails to meet their basic needs  
• Those whose running businesses have stalled  
• The ones who have lost their jobs  
• Whose life has stalled for any reason  
• The disabled  
• The needy wayfarer, son of the street, the homeless, the one who travels to you for assistance  
• Those who ask for help  
• Those whose necks are burdened with any kind of bondage, oppression, crushing debts and extreme hardship of labor.  
 
In other words, this “Muttaqi” has not only gained Imaan (which is not possible without studying deeply) i.e so he can live in peace with the laws of Allah, the Malaika, the Prophets, the noble book and the last day.He also know when to contribute to society putting aside his own needs for example, if he has saved money for a long period to buy a car, and someone in need requires help, he will offer it to that individual.The character of a “Mutaqi” is such that he is always prepared to help the needy, putting others before himself. He has developed the highest level of Rehm and love for others.  
 
Cont (2:177):  
 
• (And righteous are) those who strive to establish the institution of Salaat, (2:3. 2:53)  
• And help set up the Economic System of Zakaat.  
 
Meaning… this “Muttaqi”, in addition to the above qualities, has qualities of leadership too. And such attributes of leadership must resemble those of the prophet. Some of his qualities must be that he is “Zameel” and “Muddathtir” (just as Surah Al Muzammil and Al Muddaththir have presented the qualities of Syedana Mohammed) He must strive to work hard for establishment of Salaat and Zakaat. Such a “Muttaqi” needs a personality that is always ready to put aside everything, for the noble cause for humanity.  
 
Cont (2:177):  
• They are true to their pledge whenever they make one  
• And they remain steadfast in physical or emotional distress and in times of peril. It is they who have proven themselves to be true, and it is they who are living upright.  
 
The “Muttaqi” in addition to the above mentioned qualities will always keep his promises and remain steadfast in physical or emotional distress…..  
These are the “Muttaqoun”....  
 
In other words, Soum leads to the development of a brilliant mind, resulting in a brilliant human being to the highest form of “Adam(iat)”  
 
Would people still think abstinence from food, drink and sex will ever lead to such noble qualities the Quran is telling us about ?  
 
NO, “Soum” is definitely not the “Abstinence” (no food, no drink, and no sex) our forefathers have portrayed for centuries.  
 
What is Soum ?  
 
Soum is TARBIET / REHABILITATION TRAINING PROGRAM before you develop any level of self-discipline. “Saum” systematically creates positive ambiance and maintains order in society. “Saum” is utilised to develop different psychological states of human beings. Soum also helps people who have difficulties with personal growth, cannot increase their personal skills or enhance their potential. Saum is designed and measured for individuals according to their needs. “Saum” is not the actual result; it is the process which leads to the result.  
 
Saum in Shahral Ramadhan, is for everyone who witnesses “Ramadhan”…. Those who believe “Ramadhan” is a month in this context will need to explain how one witnesses a month… I think “Saum” is self-explanatory now.  
 
Dr Shabbir has stated: ""“As I understand at this time, SAUM = Self-control = Abstinence = Collective Exercise of Self-restraint by the Society = A conscious and emphatic collective effort to desist from common vices such as impatience, anger, unfair criticism, envy, impolite conversation or conduct, etc.”"  
 
Saum is not the result, it is the process in which one gains control or such abilities that Dr Shabbir has mentioned.  
 
SELF–CONTROL  
 
This is a result AFTER saum, not saum itself. If an individual decides to quit smoking/drinking, then one has to practice “Soum” which would be specifically designed for the individuals needs.  
 
ENVY  
 
Again this is psychological state of human beings. One is envious of something because his / her psyche is disturbed or affected by something.  
In such cases the individual is unaware of his/ her qualities and lacks self confidence…. such an individual damages their own mental condition and will possibly develop this feeling to be a part of him / her. As this becomes part of the individual’s personality, such behaviors will be exposed to others. In other words, such an individual requires treatment.  
 
ANGER  
 
Anger is not spurred by itself; there are many different factors which lead to trigger anger in a person. It is something that lies dormant in the individual that triggers an anger factor. The person needs treatment so he / she can be freed from this kind of self-damaging feeling. Anger is a feeling that results in anxiety for both the person himself and others around him. Again, the person needs treatment. That is why we have anger management programs designed specifically for the vulnerable.  
 
UNFAIR CRITICISM  
 
Being unfair is a person’s lack of understanding and not being able to clarify between right and wrong. An individual needs to be made aware of his / her way of thinking. The individual requires a learning program that makes him aware of his own actions so he may change his way of thinking. He / she requires a treatment program.  
 
The psychological states mentioned above, need treatment. We will never gain this through “self-discipline” (no sex no food) because self-discipline is not limited to sex and food, it includes every aspect of a persons character. If Taqwa is “Self-discipline” then it is the result achieved after “Soum”.  
 
Saum is not “No sex, no food, no drinking”, Saum is Syeda Maryams “Saum”.  
 
(translation of 2:177 Muttaqi is from Dr Shabbir : http://ourbeacon.com/index.php/index.php?cat=16&paged=18)

Comments by: pervez On 02 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Bob ,  
Regards, excellent, comprehensive and commendable reply.

Comments by: bob On 02 September 2010Report Abuse
dear friends, here is my latest reply in this discussion with Dr Shabbir,  
 
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119156055  
 
By: bob  
Date: Wednesday, 1 September 2010, 7:00 pm  
In Response To: Re: SAY "YES" TO SAUM! (*Dr. Shabbir)  
 
Dear Dr Shabbir, I welcome such a request from you, and will be happy to participate in forum discussion more often.  
 
I've taken time out to reply to each question you have raised, I've tried to give a detailed explanation... I hope this brings light to our discussion  
 
1. What is SAUM?  
 
2:183  
 
(Creating an ideal society requires discipline and selfrestraint among the individuals.) O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Abstinence (from food, drink and sex during the daytime) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you so that you get empowered against evil.  
 
2:185  
 
The month of Ramadhan has been chosen for this collective training since this is the month in which the Qur’an was revealed, a Guidance for mankind, clearly explaining the ‘why’ of every Rule. And it is the Criterion of right and wrong. Hence, whoever witnesses this month should participate in the program of Abstinence.  
 
"Whoever witnesses this month should participate in the program of abstinence"  
 
How do we witness a month? Humans neither witness a month nor can they refrain or restrain it. We can witness an accident or event or a physical change that we are capable of stopping. Here we are referred to a situation or condition, which we must stop.  
 
Allama Parwez lughat ul Quran p 389  
 
Shahr = Taj ne likha hai ke is ke maine hai kisi buri baat ka numaya aur mashoor ho jana = Shahar means any event or saying that becomes well  
known or situation that involves bloodshed.  
 
Allama Parwez Lughaat ul Quran p 187  
 
Ramadhan = Rait wagharia ka dhoup se tapp jana, al ramz,sakht garmi o tapash = Extreme heat  
 
Allama Parwez Lughat ul Quran p 5351 first line  
 
Mareez = Tawazan aur etadaal ka is tarah bigar jana ke kisi qoat main izhlaal,zaif yah kisi kami waqea ho jae = to cause reduction in strength  
 
Arz mareezan = aisi zameen jis main taqat kam ho = land which does not have enough strength  
 
If the root meaning and the context of each word is taken into account, excluding all previously concieved ideas, then soum would mean :  
 
شهر رمضان الذي انزل فيه القران هدي للناس وبينات من الهدي والفرقان  
 
To deal with a situation like Ramadhan Quran is presented. It is Guidance for humans and criterion of right and wrong.  
 
فمن شهد منكم الشهر  
Hence, whoever witnesses this situation or condition; he should refrain from contributing to it and restrain others as well.  
 
فليصمه ومن كان منكم مريضا او علي سفر فعدة من ايام اخر  
Hence, before committing to the cause of Siam, a Momin must overcome all his shortcomings and weaknesses. If he lacks knowledge, gain it. If he has just begun his journey of acquiring knowledge and ideology, he should complete it before joining the program for the reformation of the society.  
 
يريد الله بكم اليسر ولايريد بكم العسر ولتكملوا العدة ولتكبروا الله علي ما هداكم ولعلكم تشكرون  
God wills ease through you, not any hardships. And that you attain the capabilities and establish God’s supremacy according to His decrees and be grateful.  
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Question no 2 & 3  
 
What is SAUM according to your current understanding? What do you understand as Dr Zaman's conclusions about SAUM?  
 
Siam are “The Days of Acquiring Capabilities”. During this period the Momin prepares for the reformation of the society. And those responsible for the chaos, anarchy, and terror in the society are restrained and punished. Hence, the sick (be it physical impairment or lack of knowledge) and the traveler (whether his journey is physical or ideological or mental) are allowed to obtain those capabilities on other days. If he lacks knowledge, gain it. If he just begins his journey of acquiring knowledge and ideology, he should complete it before joining the program for the reformation of the society. But those who have the power to Soum, i.e. are prepared for Siam physically and ideologically, they should start Siam by taking care of the needy. Siam is made mandatory on those who were not fulfilling their duties, i.e. sharing their wealth with the needy. Taam does not just mean feeding the hungry. This Arabic term includes all the necessities such as food, clothes,housing, education, health, honor, security, and justice. Siam is the term used for employing God’s decrees or commandments to overcome and resolve all the conflicts facing humanity. Those carrying out the mission of Siam reap the rewards as well. (When problems are solved and conflicts resolved, everyone benefits. All citizens enjoy peace and security).  
 
Shahar Ramadhan is a situation or state when society is witnessing some type of evil. This evil could be warfare that might cause bloodshed. Or it could be a minor or major evil creeping in the society. Hence, whoever witnesses this evil; he should refrain from it and restrain others as well. Those in a position of power and authority will restrain others while ordinary folks will refrain. But there are some people who are not yet ready to fight the evil or take any responsibility for the reformation of the society. These people need to gain knowledge and develop their capabilities first.  
 
Wisdom behind soum clarifies this point even further : Soum produces Taqwa .  
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Question no 4 by Dr Shabbir : Do you mean the SAUM prescribed in 2:183 is that of silence or restraining our tongue?  
 
قال انما انا رسول ربك لاهب لك غلاما زكيا  
 
GHUALAMA ZAKIA  
 
19:19  
 
“...I shall bestow upon you the gift of a son endowed with a spotless character.”  
 
Here Mary is given the good news of a ghulama (not ibn = son or infant ) zakia, a ghulam endowed with spotless character.  
 
Ghulam Ahmed Parwez = ghain-laam-meem = Taj ke nazdeek paidaish se lekar jawaan hone tak bache ko ghulam hi kehte hai = A child from birth to his youth is called ghulam.  
 
Edward william lane : Gh-Lam-Miim = excited with lust, stirred up, tumultuous, period from birth to the seventeenth year, youth, young man, boy.  
 
Now we have to find out how old this ghulam is, who is endowed with a spotless character. If he is not born yet, how would his character be described ? If a ghulam is the term used for child aged between birth and the seventeenth year, it means, when Syeda Mariam recieved the message, he was already born.  
 
He is called Ghulama Zakia, ز ك و  
 
Zay-Kaf-Waw = it increased/augmented, it throve/grew well/flourished/prospered and produced fruit, it was/became pure, purification, goodness/righteousness, lead/enjoy a plentiful/easy/soft/delicate life, put into a good/right state/condition, alms, poor-rate/due (Edward William Lane,Project root list )  
 
This ghulam is zakia, which means he has a spotless character... in order to have a spotless character one must have developed it to a peak level with effort and understanding. Would an infant have developed a spotless character at such young age ? because a child would still be under development.  
 
This Ghulam was already born and cannot be a infant / new born, because he has developed a character. He now need Syeda maryam to educate him because she is an institution of rehmat. thats why she said :  
 
ان نذرت للرحمن صوما فلن اكلم اليوم انسيا  
 
‘Indeed, I have made a vow of silence(soma ) for the Beneficent (REHMAN).  
 
Seyda Mariam took the responsibility to educate, develop and support Jesus, so he had the ability to fully utilise his capabilities. This soam is for REHMAAN, no manmade rituals, ideologies or traditions may have an impact on his teaching, thats why she is advised to tell people she is in soam for Rehman. i.e. she has taken the responsibility for Seydana Eesa's education. That was her Soum.  
 
19:26  
 
“Eat then and drink, and let your eyes be gladdened! And if you see any human being, convey this to him, ‘Indeed, I have made a vow of silence for the Beneficent. Hence, I may not speak to any person today.’ ”  
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Question no 5  
 
Do you say Yes or No to SAUM?  
 
I say Yes to Saum as explained above,  
I say yes to eating , drinking, and intimate relations with my wife !!!!!

Comments by: bob On 02 September 2010Report Abuse
very good points raised by brother Moazzam,ill write them down for the next discussion :):)  
 
 
 

Comments by: umar On 02 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam,  
 
My name is Umar, and Br. Frank_Talk has reproduced here the thread that I had initiated in October last year at the Our Beacon forum.  
 
I am equally dumbfounded at Dr. Shabbir’s change of stance. Last year he admitted that Saum is not fasting, but this year he has made an abject about turn.  
 
This attitude of Dr. Shabbir and his coterie forced me to stop contributing to Our Beacon. At one point of time I was editing a couple of Dr. Shabbir’s books and had started reviewing QXP V. However, at about the same time I started realizing that Dr. Qamar was taking the game to a whole new level. His outstanding reasoning process had proved that many of Our Beacon’s beliefs on issues like Hajj, Saum, and Qiblah were in fact anachronistic, and, so as to say, “N2I”. Thereafter my conscience didn’t allow me to further contribute to Dr. Shabbir’s works, which, I’d found to my dismay, were filled with many outdated notions.  
 
However, I knew that Dr. Shabbir and his coterie didn’t have the patience for divergent opinions, and so I quietly began to step back from my activities at the Our Beacon forum. I was looking for the chance to talk to Dr. Shabbir about how my beliefs were evolving because of Dr. Qamar's writings, but before I could do that, Dr. Shabbir wrote a scathing message at the forum that was directed towards me, because he mistook my stepping back from Our Beacon as an act of irresponsibility. (I had actually undergone a sea change because of Dr. Qamar’s teachings, and so had started pulling back from Our Beacon’s obsolete ideas). Without offering a chance to let me explain myself, Dr. Shabbir instead chose to humiliate me publicly at the forum. I began to wonder if the person who called himself a “humble lifelong student” was in fact humble at all! Thereafter, I never bothered to reply to him, and instead started focusing my energies on absorbing the depths of Dr. Qamar’s analyses.  
 
Now Dr. Shabbir is using the same haughty language against the splendid and ever-gentlemanly Dr. Qamar. This ever more vindicates my decision to step away from Our Beacon.  
 
Wassalaam  
Umar  

Comments by: Mubashir On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
To bob  
Dear All, to be fair to Dr. Shabbir, please note his response to Bob!  
 
We are all human and as such are not perfect. In any case, it is good to see the dialogue has resumed on a courteous level.  
 
Mubashir  
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Dear Sir,  
 
I am extremely grateful for your detailed and clear explanations.  
 
God bless you brother, we need your presence.  
 
I have also reviewed my own writing of Oct 2009 which was (and is) the voice of my heart. I had forgotten that writing and the forum discussions of that time.  
 
This helps me to review and rethink my understanding and position about SAUM to where it always has been, that is, very close to your understanding.  
 
I am happy that I have never considered myself infallible and truly called myself a lifelong student. Yes, we need to keep learning all our life.  
 
I never meant to be harsh to anyone including Dr. Zaman. The rhetoric in my post was intended to generate exchange of thought and to benefit from our viewer opinions.  
 
From his book, I could see what was NOT. I could not see what IS. With your post, I can.  
 
Thanks to you again and to Dr. Qamar Zaman for clarifying a very important issue. Consider me in the same boat.  
 
Due apologies for any semblance of harshness.  
 
May Allah reward you both!  
 
A lifelong student  
 

Comments by: drshabbir On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear brothers, Salamun alaikum  
 
I read the above comments without getting surprised. The so-called Muslims do a good job of creating hatred,  
"gheebat", bigotry, slander and lying. Exactly the same people [Bilal, Adnan, Moazzam, Aurangzeb, Pervez,  
Waqar, Frank_Talk] frequently try to post even more bitter remarks on our forum against Dr. Qamar Zaman  
but our moderators disallow hateful posts.  
 
One correction is important: Umar (Umar Usman of India) is the only man who was ever banned to  
Ourbeacon.com for breech of good conduct and for assailing Dr. Zaman in an unacceptable manner.  
 
I am sure that I and Dr. Qamar Zaman have nothing personal against each other. I respect him.  
 
May Allah guide us all!  
 
With best regards,  
 
Dr. Shabbir Ahmed

Comments by: Mubashir On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear forum members.A suggestion:  
 
Is there any way we could make arrangements for Dr. Shabbir and Dr. Qamaruzzaman to communicate over the phone? Let them discuss and learn about each other directly without middlemen speaking for them.  
 
In Qur'an interpretation there are always difference of opinions and we do understand that. We are all Qur'an based and wish to learn and grow by studying different points of view. Of course, in the end we alone are accountable to Allah SWT and are required to make up our own minds.  
 
Mubashir

Comments by: drshabbir On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
My dear Mu'min brother Mubashir,  
 
You have a great idea. I am available to speak with my honorable brother Dr. Zaman. He can call me anytime  
24/7 and I will be delighted. I would have called him but his time slot is too short. I want it convenient for him.  
 
Bob has also expressed the need for mutual harmony in the service of Islam.  
 
Thank you!

Comments by: aurangzaib On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear brother Dr. Shabbir,  
 
You are most welcome to aastana forum which is open to all participants having diverse convictions and faiths. Your entry may prove to be a good omen and a blessing for all of us.  
 
You will find no taboos and no bannings here and no self-styled ‘discipline’. Ehtram-e-Aadmiat is the only divine value that is to be kept in view here so that a very congenial and brotherly spirit prevails, conducive to our common goal of learning and evolution.  
 
We appreciate the initiative undertaken by brother Mubashir and yourself. Surely Dr. Qamar Zaman, in his ever humble and gentle way, would like very much to contact and go along with you and your identical mission. You know, he has tried fully to make peace and cooperation with you earlier too. Your responses have been negative.  
 
Over the years ourbeacon forum has developed a rigid stance and have not been willing to look from alternate angles. I think this is what created schism and disparity. I was badly snubbed by Sis Saadia for introducing (for analysis) a new concept about 4 marriages and Yataama at ourbeacon a couple of months ago. Her flight of thought gave her illusions that she, as M.D., had given me a lucrative job where she could fire me from when she liked!! She forgot that, as free men, other people too have strong senses of self-respect and dignity. Let us now open up for newer ideas and concepts.  
 
I think all credit for this sudden – and eventually pleasant - turn of events goes to dear brother Bob who worked long hours to bring two different concepts of Soum in consonance with each other and bring about a concensus of opinion. I applaud him and offer my hearty congratulations upon his success. I didn’t realize we already had acquired such priceless collection of pearls among our members. We must thank Almighty for that.  
 
I also admire the quest of young brother UMAR and his inclusion among aastana brotherhood. He was once so adored by brother Dr. Shabbir. And welcome to brother Frank Talk for his participation too.  
 
To usher in a completely new era among these two forums, we need to be frank and honest with each other and avoid any further mud-slinging. Honest to God, any harsh words that were used from this side were only a belated retaliation to the consistent libel and slander by brother Dr. Shabbir against the most respected person of our Dr. Qamar Zaman. (I won't like to reproduce those words here!) We do not retaliate as a rule BUT that was a point we could not compromise with any longer. Anyway, we were not the ones to initiate uncivil remarks. We had remained passive for a long time in the face of those remarks – about a whole year. To further clarify the matter I might quote brother Dr. Shabbir as under :-  
 
“”Exactly the same people [Bilal, Adnan, Moazzam, Aurangzeb, Pervez,  
Waqar, Frank_Talk] frequently try to post even more bitter remarks on our forum against Dr. Qamar Zaman  
but our moderators disallow hateful posts.””  
 
That’s a great misunderstanding on the part of Dr. Shabbir insofar as the names Moazzam, Aurangzeb, Pervez are concerned. I guarantee that no single harsh word against Dr. Qamar by these people can be produced as a proof of his statement. Let us exercise caution and restraint in what we write so as not to repeat past mistakes. The writing is often a commitment, an affidavit – can always be used against one. So far as Adnan and Bilal are concerned, I am sure that once they started coming into agreement with Dr. Qamar’s concepts and joined aastana forum, they may not have written in negative way about him.  
 
Thanks brother Mubashir for taking precedence in reproducing Dr. Shabbir’s final conciliatory remarks to Bob. I was going to copy/paste them for our members last night immediately as I read them. It had become too late in the night for me by then, and I had to postpone that important task for this morning. Thanks for doing that for me.  
 
I hope ourbeacon forum is open for us all from now on and more rational interpretations of Dr. Qamar can be introduced there one by one - there are so many of those by now. Together we can discuss and analyse them with the spirit to bring Quran more in keeping with the ever growing intellect and scientific advancement of modern times. And more importantly, to wash blockspots from the face of Islam that have been perpetuated by traditional translation/interpretations. Perhaps new edition of QXP can be made more progressive and forward-looking with our mutual efforts by eliminating the remnants of myth and ambiguities that often take us to task in lengthy or endless apologetic justifications.  
 
God bless you all.

Comments by: moazzam On 03 September 2010
Dear Dr. Shabbir, the aastana teem welcome you at this blog,we will learn more from your wisdom,knolledge and the quranic approuch to the current issues of muslim ummah.I hope the misleading to the truth seekers would also be avoided,i assure you that i never tryed to post at aurbeacon even a single word sofar.Thanks

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 03 September 2010
Dear members ,Asslam-o-alaikum,  
I have no words to express my feelings of respect ,love ,gratitude to all of you. My feelings are above all these words .  
I can,t miss a name . “ BOB “. He is a very dedicated person to Divine book. All praise to him in bringing Ourbeacon and Aastana so close to each other . I have always respected Dr Shabbir as a senior comrade in our common aim . As I have expressed this in the past and again repeating it today that ,  
Dr Shabbir is a senior comrade ,a very knowledgeable person , a guide and a “ Beacon “  
To all of us .  
Dear members please don’t think that Dr Shabbir and myself are not on speaking terms .  
No . A very categorical No . We have a very cordial relations . When I was in States we had telephonic conversation twice . He was very kind and nice to me .  
And finally a warm welcome to Mr Umar and Mr Frank talk as a new member to aastana . and a word of thanks to Waqar ,Bilal , Adnan M Khan , Moazzam ,Pervez , Aurangzeb and Mubashir .  
 

Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
I am surprised after reading what Dr Shabbir has posted. "Dr Shabbir says The so-called Muslims do a good job of creating hatred,  
"gheebat", bigotry, slander and lying"  
He also says that Bilal posts bitter comments against Dr Qamar Zaman.But he is not aware of the respect what Bilal has for Dr Qamar Zaman.Dr Shabbir has framed allegation of GHEEBAT against me.I am not doing any GHEEBAT.But what Dr Shabbir is doing against Dr Qamar Zaman is certainly Gheebat.Now lets see this  
By:Dr. Shabbir  
Date: Sunday, 20 September 2009, 2:04 pm  
In Response To: Re: God Almighty Himself Answers Your Questions (Umar)  
 
Dear betay Umar, AA  
 
I might be the only one on the Forum to know that you are just a youngster in your 20s. You keep astonishing me with your marvelous intellect and meticulous articulation and expression, Ma-Sha-Allah!  
 
ALLAH KI DAIN HAI JISAY DAY  
MIRAAS NAHIN BALAND NAAMI  
 
Dr. Qamar Zaman has been shunning my probing questions on email for nearly one week now while I have proceeded with my R&R (Research and Reflection) in the meantime. A life-long student won't rush with anything, so I have not dismissed SAUM yet.  
 
THE FIRST CLUE: Dr. Qamar Zaman advertises himself as an M.D. while he is no doctor of any kind. His work on NAMAAZ, SAUM and HAJJ is by no means original.  
 
SECOND CLUE: Many brothers and sisters on the forum might know that: The fake names AIDID SAFAR and SAIM BAKAR from Malaysia wrote a book a few years ago, ARAB CONSPIRACIES AGAINST ISLAM and they had been misleading Muslims for about a decade. They are reported to be in a Malaysia prison at this time for copyright infringements.  
 
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=saim+aidid&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8  
 
THIRD CLUE: Although this gang might be right at places, "Dr." Zaman seems to have plagiarized his conjecture "work" from the other two. A man identifying himself as Dr. Qamar Zaman from Lahore spoke to me yesterday. But the background noises divulged the reality as Bangkok and the man could hardly utter one correct English sentence. He spoke fluent Punjabi though and hung up quickly.  
 
FOURTH CLUE: Why and where are they hiding? Qamar is supposed to be in Lahore but I think he lives in the West. They should at least announce their phone numbers and return phone calls. If they are conducting intellectual JIHAD for the UMMAH, fear must not enter the equation.  
 
Their work so far:  
 
ANDHAY KO ANDHAIRAY MEIN BARI DOOR KI SOOJHI  
 
They seem to have some valid and reformative points but not sufficiently straightforward and convincing reasons to demolish SAUM.  
Are not these "Clues" GHEEBAT.  
I have sent several emails to Dr Shabbir that do not attack Dr Qamar Zaman's personality just prove a sinlge flaw in his work.The interpretation of quran by Dr Qamar Zaman is much more enlightening that that of Dr shabbir.It is based on Grammar and Lexicon.Moreover when i ask Dr Qamar Zaman sahib a question he answers me without saying bitter words.i even call him but he is so kind and decent.But when i ask Dr Shabbir He says do not do spoon-feeding.Then i tell him that it is Mullah attitude.so he frames allegation of GHEEBAT against me.  
I can believe a person like Dr Shabbir who says we should launch Jihad against Mullahs can do these things.Just look at his slanderous comments on Dr qamar zaman sahib.Does not he seem to be a fanatic mullah?  
But when i post these comments so the truth sounds bitter to him.Now he has blocked my emails.  
Dear aurangzaib and respected Dr Qamar Zaman Dr shabbir says  
. Exactly the same people [Bilal, Adnan, Moazzam, Aurangzeb, Pervez,  
Waqar, Frank_Talk] frequently try to post even more bitter remarks on our forum against Dr. Qamar Zaman  
but our moderators disallow hateful posts.  
I ask him show me any comment of mine against Dr qamar zaman.I can not even imagine to post rude and bitter comments about Dr Qamar Zaman.Brother Aurangzaib and Dr Qamar zaman know it very well!

Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
I apologize if my comments sound bitter.But it is the reality.

Comments by: tahirbhai2000 On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
Respected Truth Seekers, Assalam O Alaikum  
 
I am extremely pleased with the situation, in which, Dr. Shabbir and Dr. Qamar are cooperating with each other in a Muslim manners. We, indeed, need both of you together for the grand cause of PEACE of the world. Even though, I have somewhat different opinions on certain issues than Dr. Shabbir due to my own logic and reasoning, however, our thoughts are in the same direction. I also wrote something in the similar fashion yesterday morning on ourbeacon.com but so far I don't see my comments on the forum yet. I wrote it after almost 7 years. Once I used to be very regular contributor of ourbeacon.com, he created that website probably 9, 10 years ago.  
This is my very humble request to honorable Dr. Shabbir that please, stay humble and prove yourself a Life-Long Student as we are all.  
May bless you all  
Syed Tahir Quadri, NJ

Comments by: drshabbir On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Bilal Khan (and all respected brothers), Salamun alaikum  
 
I do not know to whom your apologies are directed. However, I think you have done some disservice by trying to re-ignite the extinguished.  
 
Speaking half truth could be more detrimental than telling frank lies. Anyone interested in seeking the whole truth should look at all the posts from numerous viewers and myself at Ourbeacon.com from Sept 16 to Sept 26 2009. Those posts, including mine, have fluctuated between strong criticism to profound gratitude for my honorable brother Dr. Zaman's revolutionary work. The reaction was not surprising since the issue of SAUM was forcefully presented at Ourbeacon.com for the first time. You will find nothing surreptitious there. No backbiting since so many viewers were exchanging thought out in the open.  
 
I did find some extremely bitter emails against Dr. Zaman from most of the names I quoted, including Bilal Khan. I could have reproduced them here but I will not throw fuel on warm ashes.  
 
Hopefully, this should be my last comment required on this thread.  
 
Best wishes and best regards to all.  
 
Dr. Shabbir

Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
My Dear brother Shabbir my apologies are directed to every member of this quranic community.Because This Quranic community believes in universal human fraternity and PEACE is the core message. Utmost respect for humanity is the basic policy. Therefore, civil manners, decency and politeness are advocated.I do not want to do anything rude but i have just written the reality.  
My Dear Dr Shabbir i do not want to do anything disservice.But i have written what i have seen.I have seen all of your comments on respected Dr Qamar zaman sahib you say  
Those posts, including mine, have fluctuated between strong criticism to profound gratitude for my honorable brother Dr. Zaman's revolutionary work.  
If your posts have reached from Sept 16 to Sept 26 2009 from criticism to profound gratitude.then what has happened on 31 August 2010?your feeling of gratitude has again fluctuated from profound gratitude to strong criticism!I think you should better look at your comments above posted by brother BOB.And then decide yourself that what you have come up with after 2 years.  
you have come up with  
- HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE DOESN'T KNOW  
-How can I trust a man who cannot even spell SAUM right? Let it go :-  
-Dr. Qamar Zaman DOES NOT EVEN KNOW the ultimate objective of SAUM! This fact alone effectively DEMOLISHES his THESIS.  
-The man plays with the words and terms of the Qur'an with utmost callousness  
-I advise Dr. Zaman to ask forgiveness of Allah for desecrating His Word  
My Dear I ask you what it all means?  
You could not prove the work of Dr Qamar Zaman fake in 2 years so you thought to attack his personality.This is not a good attitude.  
In your above comments I am very glad to see that now you agree with Dr Qamar Zaman. you have said  
Those posts, including mine, have fluctuated between strong criticism to profound gratitude for my honorable brother Dr. Zaman's revolutionary work  
you have accepted his work revolutionary.Its wonderful.Now i think you will have no objection on Dr Qamar zaman's interpretation of SAUM.  
you have said  
"I did find some extremely bitter emails against Dr. Zaman from most of the names I quoted, including Bilal Khan"  
I will remind you that in your earlier comments you have also framed allegations against Adnan, Moazzam, Aurangzeb.  
My Dear Brother you do not know who these three people are.Dr Qamar calls brother Adnan his right hand.how can these people write anything against Dr Qamar Zaman?  
I can not even think of sending bitter comments against Dr Qamar zaman sahib.  
I request you to show me atleast my bitter comments on DR QAMAR ZAMAN so that i see what i have written against him.My intention is constructive not distructive i just want to know what i have written against Dr Qamar sahib.I assure you that it will not throw fuel on warm ashes.  
God bless you  

Comments by: moazzam On 03 September 2010
I did find some extremely bitter emails against Dr. Zaman from most of the names I quoted, including Bilal Khan. I could have reproduced them here but I will not throw fuel on warm ashes.  
 
Hopefully, this should be my last comment required on this thread.  
 
Best wishes and best regards to all.  
 
Dr. Shabbir Plz through the so called fuel i would like to smell the same,i hope the ashes are cool at the moment and never be re-ignite th

Comments by: umar On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam,  
 
First of all, sincere thanks to Dr. Qamar and Aurangzeb Sb. for their warm welcome!  
 
I don’t want to add fuel to the fire, but would just clarify here that I have never assailed Dr. Qamar in any manner at the Our Beacon forum. I was in fact one of the most restrained participants whilst discussing Dr. Qamar. Anyone is free to view the Our Beacon archives and ascertain my statement.  
 
As for being the “only man who was ever banned to [sic] Ourbeacon.com for breech [sic] of conduct”, I did not think this accusation was worthy enough of responding to then, and I do not think it is now.  
 
Things have all of a sudden taken a festive and conciliatory turn here. While this is not at all bad, I am a little puzzled as to why one day Dr. Qamar was accused of the biggest crime in the world: “desecrating God’s word”, and the next day we were told that it was only “rhetoric”? What kind of rhetoric involves accusing someone of waging war against Allah?  
 
I would hazard to guess that this is an uneasy peace, gentlemen; I am “once bitten, twice shy”, and would advise everyone to tread cautiously as well. Just one round of disagreement on Saum caused so much discord; imagine the tensions when topics like Hajj, Makkah, Qiblah, and Four Wives are brought up. I would just like to advise all involved, in advance, to be restrained and gentlemanly so that no more rounds of innuendoes, slanders and misgivings occur.  
 
Notwithstanding my disagreements with Dr. Shabbir, I would like to acknowledge him as my first mentor: “Isi mehfil se faizyaab huey hum ‘Tariq’ ”. However, situations, comprehensions, and perceptions change, and this has been true in my case. Many lingering doubts that were not answered at Our Beacon were finally answered by Dr. Qamar. This has been a process of evolution for not only me but many other people, and I think everyone involved should humbly acknowledge this.  
 
Wassalaam  
 
Umar  

Comments by: Frank_Talk On 03 September 2010Report Abuse
Good, the efforts of many worked out in a truce to start with. My purpose to post a discussion link of the past and some remarks were to point out the "Fluctuation" , as stated and admitted by learned Dr. Shabbir Ahmed himself. No punk was intended. Intension was to point out the said and accepted fluctuation.  
 
Neither of the two learned Drs are final word at the exposition of the Book. It is an ongoing process. Two great minds may work together for better results.  
 
I sincerely hope the truce lasts for goodness sake.

Comments by: pervez On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear All, A.A.  
 
1. We all wished unity amongst Quranic brothers. I joined this blog to learn. I did not know anything about Doctor Shabbir or his web site ourbeacon until recently when brother Aurangzeb gave this information, whom I know personally. We both, often discuss ways and means to bring unity amongst all Quranic brothers.  
 
I NEVER EVER POSTED ANY COMMENTS WHAT SO EVER ON ourbeacon web site.  
 
2. Doctor Shabbir in his comments dated 3 September writes,  
 
"same people [Bilal, Adnan, Moazzam, Aurangzeb, Pervez Waqar, Frank_Talk] frequently try to post even more bitter remarks on our forum against Dr. Qamar Zaman  
but our moderators disallow hateful posts "  
 
3.This is completely a false allegation, therefore I am morally bound to clear myself. He did not spare even brother Aurangzeb who is so near to Docter Zaman for the reasons best known to him.  
 
4. I intended to give my judgment, but in the interest of Quranic brotherhood, I keep it reserved for the time being and hope and pray that sense prevails and things improve.  
 
5. Dear Doctor Zaman I know you must have been hurt by this mischief . We are sorry but there is no truth in it. God bless you.

Comments by: bob On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear all  
 
Our efforts and energy should be used in a constructive manner so we can precipitate the works of our predecessors. Let us take this opportunity, a fresh start, to initiate the establishment of Salat. We have many different individuals, who bring something to the table. Collectively, harnessing our skills, knowledge and expertise, we can create a road which leads to the final destination.  
 
I am honored with the compliments you have served, but I have only presented your hard work! Dear Arungzaib, i have been reading your posts and learnt a lot. Im a student of you all, because i learn something from everyone.  
 
Thank you. I am glad Dr Shabbir himself joined in with the discussion on Aastana and posted my lengthy posts on his forum. I applaud his approachable personality.  
 
I would also like to thank certain individuals such as Pervez, Moazzam, Waqqar, Adnan, for taking time out to read what I had posted and for participating in the discussions.  
 
No matter how many individuals, we will always be one! then we can say to the world....  
 
“Itna na bachoo hum se, Humrah humein le lo  
Lambaa hai safar dekho…Kaam aye ga deewana”  
 
Must listen :):)  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Xwm7xDFCI  
 
(This verse is from a Mohammed Rafi song (I am a FANTASTICALLY Fanatic FAN of Mr Rafi, plz dont throw a fatwah on me :O:O :)  
 

Comments by: Mubashir On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Bob,  
 
Music fan and that too of Rafi Sahib? Welcome to my world!!  
 
Friends, let us all hope for a fresh start with a positive attitude; bearing in mind in many places we may disagree but as we learn and grow, disagreement need not be bitter.  
 
Humility is bottom line here; it goes a long way to keep things going smoothly. Hey, at the end of the day if we get stuck, we can always "Agree to disagree".  
 
Personaly a part of me is still stuck on salat (the prayer) which I understand is a part of salat the system. I recently read that in 2:125 we are told to make Ibrahim's place of prayer as our own (meaning to take salat prayer as it is being offered at the Holy Ka'aba)!! Part of my inner self wants to hang on to the fasting portion of Abstinence, but let us see where our discussions take us. I could be wrong, but I am learning and keeping my options open!!  
 
We look forward to Dr Qamar's interpretation of the Qur'an and also the next version of QXP by Dr Shabbir.  
 
What is that couplet in Urdu "Saaray gilay jaatay rahey jab tum say lagay galay hum?" (darn! my memory's batteries are going - help!)  
 
Regards,  
 
Mubashir

Comments by: Adnan Muhammad Khan On 04 September 2010
Dear All,  
having gone through all comments, i would just like to clear myself (if Dr. Shabbir means to name me) regarding his comments for bitter remarks posted against Dr. Qamar Zaman Sb. DEAR DR. SHABBIR SB. I HAVE NEVER EVER POSTED ANY COMMNETS AGAINST DR. QAMAR SB. NOR I COULD EVER THINK TO DO SO. I GOT NO WORD TO EXPLAIN THE RESPECT I HAVE FOR DR. QAMAR ZAMAN SB. BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE WHO CHANGED MY LIFE TOTALY... i don't understand why Dr. Shabbir sb. passed this comments. I DO RESPECT DR. SHABBIR SB. HIS COMMENTS AGAINST DR. QAMAR SB. HAS DISAPPOINTED ME.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear all,  
 
After all the wonderful comments by friends, and in the face of growing demand for proofs by those declared ‘guilty’ by our dear brother Dr. Shabbir, this still is a moment of rejoicing for us as we finally could discuss ‘things’ openly with each other and have come in direct and close contact. This makes history.  
 
I won’t agree with Brother Dr. Shabbir that he might have posted his last and final comment on this thread. I assure him that we won’t like to abandon this highly coveted rapport with him. A constant close contact may go a long way in generating goodwill and removing bitterness that is an essential legacy of the past. Please let people have their catharsis. A catharsis serves to cleanse our minds and hearts of negative emotions and we all can take a fresh, inspiring and rewarding start towards our common goal. Please keep in touch brother and write for us frequently whatever comes to your mind taking us as your juniors on this trail of peace, progress and learning. There are other threads open at aastana where we can always enjoy the benefits of your counsel. We won’t like to lose you for the entire world.  
 
Dear Bob and Mubashir, please meet another couple of “FANTASTICALLY FANATIC FANS” of Great Mohammad Rafi – that’s my wife and myself. The link from youtube was beautiful. The Maestro invariably carries us far away into the mazy realms of real ecstasy and profound spiritual peace the moment his enchanting divine voice starts casting its spell. We need him so badly in the atmosphere of desolation, despair and doom and gloom that’s prevalent all around us in this Land of the Pure. About Fatwa Bob, yes, violating all the sane convictions about the evils of a Fatwa, I would venture into issuing the only Fatwa of my whole life, as under:  
 
“Pyar nahi hai sur se jisko, woh moorakh insaan nahin”  
 
(Listen to this Fatwa directly from Ustaad Amanat Ali Khan and you will rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggf_szKYV_E ).  
 
May this new fraternity be eternal and may He bless us all with abundant resources to uphold the flag of Divine Guidance throughout the globe.  

Comments by: umar On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam,  
 
Thanks Br. Bob for reminding me of this wonderful Rafi Sb. song; last heard it many years ago. Not only is Rafi Sb. in his usual classy form, but this is one of Sonik Omi’s better tunes as well.  
 
It’s serendipitous to have found so many fellow Rafi fans here!  
 
It so happens that at the social networking site Orkut, there was once some bickering going on at a community dedicated to Rafi Sb. The community was called “Rafians”. After a certain point of time the tempers started to flare beyond control, and I had to step in with a message to my fellow community members: “Friends, please let’s maintain the goodwill in this community. After all, we are ‘Rafians’, not “Ruffians”.  
 
Taking the cue from the beautiful post of Aurangzeb Sb., it’s my wish that all of us here would live in the serene aura of Rafi Sb’s voice, and be Rafians instead of Ruffians.  
 
Incidentally, I am aware that Dr. Shabbir is also a fan of Rafi Sb.: there’s a video on YouTube of his rendition of the classic Rafi number from “Oonchi Haveli”, “Daulat ke jhoote nashe main ho choor, ghareebon ki duniyan se rehte ho door”. So, I’m sure that Dr. Shabbir will also have yet another reason to inculcate an environment of mutual cooperation, as he, like many others at this forum, is also a “Rafian” :)  
 
Wassalaam  
Umar

Comments by: bilal_khan5181 On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Aurangzaib you have issued a great FATWA!  
“Pyar nahi hai sur se jisko, woh moorakh insaan nahin” Great!

Comments by: UmeAimon On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
Salam,  
I raised some questions regarding typical defination of saum and why it was not making sense some time ago on ourbeacon but did not get satisfactory replies from any one. I had doubts about saum just like salat and hajj for a long time till some kind fellow out Dr. Qamar's work on the forum. It was a pleasure seeing someone doing this kind of work.  
Although I was also dissappointed by remarks for Dr. Qamar and some other people but did not care as I never bother who is writting and from where as long as it makes sense and is NOT out of Quran. The moment one says "as proven by bla bla historic background and culture etc" I know something is fishy. This approach is fundamentally flawed: " Don't believe in any history or hadiths books but only what we tell you about!" ????  
Saum as explained by Dr.Qamar Zaman linguistically, adds up to this even through common rationale of logic if applied to Quranic verses. Except for the the part where Nisa are explained as weak people where I disagree, as Annisa everywhere applies to females, as it's defination given in Quran itself, should be same everywhere. It will not make much difference if the word is kept as it is as it still makes sense in these verses but if taken as Dr. Zaman said, can have some negetive effect if applied to some other verses.  
 
Its very sad people don't notice even the simple points, where there are so many others too, that go against the usual interpertation of Saum.  
Look at verse 2:187 usual translation "It has been made lawful for yout to go onto your "wives" on the NIGHT OF THE ABSTINENCE......"  
No other than converting nisa into wives, can anyone see a new "oxymoron" being created here.... when they say abstinenece is this ... and then allowing the same at IT's NIGHT!  
Yes it says abstinenece's night NOT ramadan's night, which is a strange thing to say in itself!  
It's like saying ..."during the night of office hours do this or that" , when the office ends at EVENING!!  
 
UmeAimon  

Comments by: bob On 04 September 2010Report Abuse
 
LAEL = NIGHT  
 
لر كتاب انزلناه اليك لتخرج الناس من الظلمات الي النور باذن ربهم الي صراط العزيز الحميد  
14:1  
 
.....A Divine Writ this is that We have revealed to you (O Prophet) so that you may bring forth all mankind, by their Sustainer’s leave, out of darkness into light. .......  
 
Allama Parwez Lughaat ul Quran page 1517 says :  
 
"Nazole Quran ke waqt noh insaani tareeki main thi, Quran Kareem ki ra numai unhe roshni maain le ai. Is jaht se Allah Talah ne us zamane ko jis main Quran kunya ko mila , lael keh kar pukara. Yaani voh zamana jis main har taraf tareek chai hoi thi. roshni ka kahi nishaan tak nahi tha. Is doran Quran Kareem nazil hoa jis mian dunya ko nay iqdaar se roshnas karaya. Tareeki main insaan ke lie khatraat(haqeeqi yah khyali) hote hai. Roshni ki vaja se yeh khatrat slamati main tabdeel ho gaye. Har us roshni ka takmeel istarha se hoi ke raat ka koi hissa baqi na rahe.  
Hatain mutala Alfajr = Sari dunya Khuda ke noor se jagmaga uthi , Is tarha yeh tareek dor Quran Kareem ki roshni ki vaja se noh insan ke lie salamti aur barkat ka dor ban gaya.  
 
44:3  
انا انزلناه في ليلة مباركة انا كنا منذرين  
We have revealed it on a Blessed Night. We have always been warning."  
=  
Before the Qur'an was revealed, humanity was exposed to darkness, and their rights were violated. That is why Allah called this period of time, the "dark period" (darkness is also ignorance)  
 
In the darkness even a rope resembles a snake. There are dangers for humanity in the darkness which can be real or illusionary .  
 
The Quran was lit up every dark corner; everything was clearer (44:3).  
 
NISAA:  
http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm  
 
= Nun-Siin-Waw = women. There is no singular of this word.  
Is it not strange there is no singulae for nisa.  
 
 
Allama Parwez Lughat Ul Quran page 1517 :  
 
“Mejaazi maino main yeh lafz Qoum ke us tabqe ke lie istemal hoa hai jo har mardangi se aari ho.”  
 
Shahar Ramadhan in verse 2:185 is given another name Layilata Assiaam in the verse 2:187. The meaning of Assiaam is obvious. It is the period when people will work to stop evil, spread the good, and reform themselves. The dark night of this period stands for the days when nobody stops the evil or spreads the good. The tyrants continue with their tyranny and the victims cannot ask for justice or demand their rights. Quran calls this period Layilata Assiaam . In other words this is the period when human rights are violated. This is a dark night for those who wish to reform the  
society. Now let us translate the same verse using these meanings.  
 
احل لكم ليلة الصيام الرفث الي نسائكم  
It had been made lawful for you to mistreat helpless folks during the dark nights of tyranny.  
 
During the times when human rights were being violated it seemed as if the society had sanctioned the mistreatment of helpless and destitute. The rich and privileged had no fear in bad-mouthing and  
belittling them.  
 
هن لباس لكم وانتم لباس لهن  
They are your garment and you are theirs.  
 
It means these helpless folks you abuse, mistreat, exploit, and steal the fruits of their labor, are in fact your own people. You all had a common ancestor. Hence, you all, whether rich or poor, are related to each other. By stealing the fruits of their labor and abusing them, you were guilty of treason. Now the time has come to stop from indulging in such evil acts.  
 
الله انكم كنتم تختانون انفسكمفتاب عليكم وعفا عنكم  
God was aware of your treachery against your own people. (You were stealing the fruits of their hard labor.)Yet, God turned to you and forgave you.  
 
A study of these verses reveals that there is a period when the elite think it is alright to abuse and mistreat the helpless in the society. The rich shun the poor and feel no guilt in stealing the fruits of their labor. This is the time when good people in the society must take action. They should stop the elite from committing these evils, so that God may turn to them in favor. But to earn God’s mercy and blessings, they must stop their treachery first. God never changes His laws. Hence what was dishonesty or infidelity yesterday, cannot become honesty or fidelity today. Sadly, our forefathers never thought of applying treachery to violation of human rights or exploitation of the poor and helpless. Hence, they assumed the Arabic word Rafas meant sexual intercourse. They considered this treachery and fabricated a story to support their view. They never bothered to check it really meant bad-mouthing, defiling, or slandering. Applying this meaning we can understand the message of the verse. God Almighty is addressing the Rich Elites who shun the helpless in the society, treat them like untouchables, and exploit and mistreat them. God warns them that He was aware of their  
treachery but forgave them. Henceforth, they should mend their ways by stopping exploitation of the helpless, restoring social relations with them, and treating them like their own brothers/sisters.  
 
فالان باشروهن وابتغوا ما كتب الله لكم  
Henceforth, establish intimate relations with them and seek only what is legally yours according to God’s decrees.  
 
by changing the meaning of word baashiru hunna from socializing or intimate relations to sexual intercourse. The root of this Arabic word baashiru hunna is Baa, Sheen, and Raa. Taken literally it means direct contact. But semantically it carries two different meanings, i.e. to meet someone or convey good news.

Comments by: UmeAimon On 05 September 2010Report Abuse
Salam,  
 
Brother Bob, I do understand the other meaning of Nisa as given in dictionaries but I was only stating that after going through 2:221 to 223. Could be my understanding of Nisa was also not right there. But nisa as women fits well in most situations, don't you think? Arabic is such a vast language then why would Allah choose such words which could cause confusion at different places? Could it be be that our understanding is wrong?  
Just a thought. Hope you'll find time to make this clear in my head.  
Thanks  

Comments by: Damon On 05 September 2010Report Abuse
Salam,  
 
Brother Bob and Sister UmeAimon I also take issue with the interpretation of Nisaa' in 2:187 mainly because that interpretation disagrees with the Arabic grammar.  
 
The Arabic says HUNNA libaas lakum wa antum libaas LAHUNNA. According to Arabic grammar, the personal plural pronoun "HUNNA" is only used in reference to a group of people that is made up of only females. Whenever a group of people is a mixture of male and female, then the masculine pronoun "HUM" is always used.  
 
If the interpretation of Nisaa' in 2:187 is to be understood as "weak people" then the pronoun "HUM" would have to be used as people is a mixture of male and female. If Brother Dr Qamar Zaman's understanding is correct on this, then the grammar is wrong as "HUNNA" is used. If the grammar is correct, then Nisaa' can only be women or wives.  
 
I hope no one takes this feedback negatively as I have grown to seriously admire Brother Dr Qamar Zaman for the work he is doing and his book on Haqiqat e Soum is a very helpful and much needed eye opener, not to mention a breath of fresh air.  
 
May Allah Bless him and all those who are involved in this mission.  
 
Sincerest Regards,  
Your Brother Damon.

Comments by: bob On 05 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam  
 
sister Umeaimon, i need to study more. Brother Damon, i thought the word Lahunna is referred to the word Nisa because the word itself is feminine ?  
 
For example if we say " God is mercyful,HE is never unjust". the word "He" is ref back to the Word "God" and not Gods sex....plz correct me if im wrong  
 
Thanks to both of you, Dr Qamar or Arungzaib would have to explain the grammatical issues. meanwhile ill listen to Mohd Rafi. Im glad there are so many rafians here. i feel @ home now,plz let me knw if any of you want some gems from my golden collection :):)  
 

Comments by: Damon On 05 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam Brother Bob,  
 
Please allow me to list the categories of Feminine Nouns in Arabic  
 
1). Words that refer to parts of the human body which come in pairs such as "Ayn (eye)", "yad (hand)" and "rijlun(foot)"  
 
2). Words referring to nature or natural phenomena such as 'ard (earth) and shams (sun)  
 
3). Most countries are also considered as feminine nouns  
 
4). Words that end in Taa Marbuuta  
 
5). Words that are REFERRING TO FEMALES  
 
The word Nisaa' fits under the fifth category. THE WORD ITSELF is not feminine in the sense that their is a Ta Marbuuta attached to the end of it nor any of the other 3 categories. It is only feminine because it is in reference to females. The Females in this reference are people which is why the pronoun "Hunna" is used.  
 
Something else we must know is that the plural personal pronouns are only used for PEOPLE in the Arabic language. For words that are plural, yet non-human the Arabic uses THE FEMININE SINGULAR. The fact the pronoun "Hunna" is used makes it perfectly clear that Nisaa' in 2:187 can only be feminine plural and nothing else.  
 
Again, I wish to re-iterate that their is no deviation in the Arabic grammatical rules concerning the use of personal pronouns and that if a group of people is either all male OR a MIXTURE of male and female, then the masculine plural pronoun will ALWAYS be used.  
 
Peace Be With You,  
Damon.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 05 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Bob, Damon, UmeAimon,  
 
Your discussions above are a source of inspiration. I am expecting Dr. Qamar to elaborate the grammatic complexities of the subject matter and you might read his most valuable reflections soon. In the meantime, my humble opinion is as under :-  
 
The word Nisaa’ is a derivative from the Root Nasu نسو . The problem in Lane’s Lexicon (and probably in some others too) is that he did not discuss the meanings of the Root word Nasu and perhaps jumped straight ahead in discussing its derivatives Nisa’a, An-Nisa’a and Arqun Nisaa’ ( عرق النساء ). And we all know that if we don’t start our comprehension right from the Root meaning of an Arabic word, we usually carry a gap along in the course of our learning.  
 
Nasu, the Root, as I understood it, means weakness (in strength, status, capability, bravery, in taking a firm stand or in making up one’s mind, etc. etc.).  
 
Accordingly, the weaker sections/classes of a society (even the economically weaker ones and ideologically weaker ones) and the weakness itself, are called Nisaa’ (Nukra) or An-Nisaa’ (Ma’arfah), as the case may be.  
 
God is mostly concerned with human rights and equality, and always advises us to safeguard our weaker ones, so at most of the places in Quran, He talks and looks much concerned about Nisaa’ or An-Nisaa’; and according to context and overall purpose of His Guidance, He seems to mean the weaker ones among human beings.  
 
Nisaa’ can mean ‘women’ at some places (and only the context is the final judge to decide about such places) and women are called Nisaa only because they have been considered weak (Nasu) by the societies in comparison with Men; not because the respective Root gives the meaning of ‘women’.  
 
The word “Hunna” and “Lahunna” are also discussed with emphasis that these are pronouns of third person, plural, feminine, thus creating anomalies in some translations by our Dr. QZ. (for example Nisaa’, Azwaaj, etc.).  
 
In this respect, I may try to clarify that Hunna and Lahunna surely are pronouns of Feminine third person but at the same time are equally used for groups, parties, sections of society, etc. All these categories are classified in Arabic as a Jama’at – جماعۃ - and with a ۃ of “ta’nees” in the word Jama’at, they will be signified and addressed as feminine and their “dhameers” ضمائر (pronouns) will always be feminine, though they may be regarded as, and actually be, masculine.  
 
With regard to Nisaa’ some references are Al-Baqarah:94, Aaraaf:127 and Al-Momin:25, where the “killing of Abnaa’” and “Leaving the Nisaa’ alive” by Faroah is described in the context of Syedna Moses’ story. Here Abnaa are the brave ones causing fear, of an eventual confrontation, among Faroah’s people. The Nisaa’ are the weaker ones creating no apprehensions/fears.  
Here if we take the traditional literal meanings of Nisaa’ and Abnaa’, it would mean that by killing all the “male children” of Bani Israel, Faroah would stand to lose a whole nation of slaves doing all the hard and dirty labors for his people in a matter of say, about 30 to 40 years.  
 
I hope the above makes some sense and answers some questions. Please do write if more clarifications or references might be needed.  
 
God bless you.  

Comments by: UmeAimon On 05 September 2010Report Abuse
Salam brother Aurengzaib,  
 
I simply understood it as killing of males of those who initiated treachory (in their eyes against firon ofcourse) as it is not suggested anywhere the whole nation turned against them and after all from whom bani isreal were running from? Wasn't this usual during wars in those days? They used to to keep women alive for themsleves and kill all men/sons of the enemy nation?  
I am also interested in interpertations and versions of Arabic "grammer use" that changes with context, if someone can please explain which one is right.  
 
jazakAllah  
UmeAimon  

Comments by: Damon On 05 September 2010Report Abuse
Salamun 'Alaiykum Dear Aurengzaib,  
 
You had wrote  
 
QUOTE FROM AURENGZAIB:  
"Please do write if more clarifications or references might be needed."  
 
Yes, I am interested in Arabic Grammar references which would verify the explanation below....  
 
QUOTE FROM AURENGZAIB:  
"I may try to clarify that Hunna and Lahunna surely are pronouns of Feminine third person but at the same time are equally used for groups, parties, sections of society, etc. All these categories are classified in Arabic as a Jama’at – جماعۃ - and with a ۃ of “ta’nees” in the word Jama’at, they will be signified and addressed as feminine and their “dhameers” ضمائر (pronouns) will always be feminine, though they may be regarded as, and actually be, masculine."  
 
Salaam,  
 
I also wish to reiterate that although a word that ends in Ta Marbuuta such as the word Jama'a is indeed feminine, the fact remains that the Arabic word Nisaa' DOES NOT end with a Ta Marbuuta, it ends with a Hamza. Words that end with a Hamza are not feminine. They are automatically masculine UNLESS the word refers to to a female. The Nisaa' does not end with Ta Marbuuta but it does refer to female gender which is the only reason why the feminine pronoun "Hunna" is used in 2:187.  
 
The Words Muslimoon/Muslimeen and Muminoon/Mumineen are also plural words referring to a "group category". They make up a "Jama'a. Muslims and Mumins are a mixture of males and females and in Arabic Language in general and The Quran in particular, only the masculine plural pronoun is used when Quran is speaking about them or to them. The feminine plural pronoun is reserved strictly for a "group" or "jama'a" of human beings who are ALL females. If even one male is among that group, then the masculine plural pronoun will be used to address or speak about that group. In fact, the very words Muslimoon and Muminoon are what is known as the sound "masculine" plural even though the Muslimoon and Muminoon are Men and Women.  
 
For a "group" of muslim men, we refer to them as muslimoon. For a "group" of muslim men and women (even if there is only one man among the group), they are again muslimoon. For a "group" of only muslim women, the are strictly referred to as "Muslimaat" The plural feminine pronoun is only used in reference to a group made up of only females.  
 
I hope that this is of some help in clarifying some things for us and Allah Knows Best.  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Your Brother Damon.  
 

Comments by: aurangzaib On 06 September 2010Report Abuse
Sis UmeAimon,  
 
When I quoted the example of the hypothesis of eventual extinction of the whole race of Bani Israeli slaves, I had in mind the traditional translation of Quran in the context of the story of Syedna Musa.  
 
You know the traditional translation is based on a story that fearing the birth of a big enemy, Faroah had ordered to KILL ALL THE MALE BABIES taking birth among Israelians. So I had meant that there was no rationale in that translation in that if they had kept killing all the males and leaving only the females alive, that would only cause the eventual extinction of that whole slave nation, which they could not afford at any cost. So, the traditional translation was illogical and irrational and did not fit in the context. So the meaning they adopted from Abnaa and Nisaa’ (as males and females) were wrong. Our main theme of discussion was the meaning of Nisaa’.  
 
Such irrationality is not observed when we translate these terms as “brave and courageous ones” (Abnaa’) and “the weak ones” (Nisaa’) and the question of gender is eliminated. The story assumes a logical perspective in the background of Syedna Musa’s movement for freedom of his people.  
 
Of course, your contention about killing of the treacherous ones by Pharoah (according to them) fits rightly in the context of Dr. QZ’s new progressive meanings of males and females. Yes, Faroah decided to, and practiced making those Israelis “inactive” who showed some qualities of courage and bravery. And he let those ones loose who did not pose a threat to him. There was no question of gender. I think that’s the essence of Dr. QZ’s translation.  
 
God bless you.  

Comments by: aurangzaib On 06 September 2010Report Abuse
My dear brother Damon,  
 
With your clarifications, I precisely follow the difficulty faced about "Dhamaa'ir" in the context of gender.  
The example I quoted of "Jama'at" was exactly what I understood from Dr. Sahib, but your further queries are in the right direction and I can see your point clearly.  
 
Together we must request Dr. QZ to please clarify the matter directly. Because even if I may quote further identical references, your queries would still remain valid. Dr. Sahib can explain the grammatical complexities of Arabic easily and beautifully.  
 
According to Dr. Sahib, the whole episode of Syedna Yousuf (Chapter: Yousuf) , where a feminine Dhameer is constantly used which resulted in the fabrication of a character "Zulekha", had no hints towards a woman character at all, but rather towards a Jama'at that was in opposition to Syedna Yousuf during his progress to higher official ranks in Egypt. Dr. Sahib successfully rationalised, rather eliminated, the old myth of Yousuf & Zulekha.  
 
The fact however remains to be noted that Nisaa's root word Nasu does mean "weakness" and this meaning I think must persist in all its derivatives.  
 
God bless you.

Comments by: Damon On 07 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam my dear brother Aurangzaib,  
 
I just checked all of the dictionaries and lexicons of classical Arabic, including Lughatul Quran by Allama Parvez. None of them give the meaning for nisaa' or niswa' to mean weak or weakness. I even went to Hans Wehr and the disctionary by Wortabet and Porter to look at all of the Arabic definitions for the following words:  
 
Weak, weakness, downtrodden, caste, oppressed and abased and none of them had the root niswa' as part of their definitions.  
 
I also cannot find in any of the lexicons and dictionaries where "kulu" means to learn and "ashrabu" means to disseminate knowledge or information. If you can kindly point my in the direction of the relevant references for the definitions of all of the above it would be most appreciated.  
 
God Bless You,  
Damon.

Comments by: Saad Haider On 07 September 2010Report Abuse
I DO AGREE WITH BRO "DAMON" (names sounds beautiful) i have myself gone through various dictionaries but could not find such meaning...... IS IT INVENTED BY YOU MR. AURANGZAIB OR DR. QAMAR SB. ? SIR, if the meanings are not cited in any dictionary or anywhere, why you interpreting in such way???? is this not playing with ayats???? thousands of intellectuals and most educated persons have never ever objected such thing.... why you and Dr. Sb. are trying to INVENT a new thing?????  
As MR. AURANGZAIB YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE LIMITED THOUGHT ABOUT ALLAH... WHERE DOES HE RESIDE, WHEN HE CREATED THIS WORLD, AND EVEN MORE WE CANNOT EVEN THINK THAT WHO HAS CREATED ALLAH???? when we have no mind to think about such questions then why you are USING your extra mind to prove NAMZA, ROZA, ETC. wrongly interpreted????????  
DEAR AURANGZAIB AND BROTHER QAMAR ZAMAN.... Plz stick with Great Allama Pervezs' philosophy.... WHAT HE SAID ABOUT NAMAZ, ROZA ETC. is absolutely OK/RIGHT.......  
ERROR IS NOT IN Namaz and ROZA ETC. error is in us.........  
Hence i suggest you to imitate Allama Pervez ......every question is answered by him.... plz think it over.

Comments by: bob On 07 September 2010Report Abuse
salaam  
 
i would like to see the ROOT meaning of nisa given in the dictionaries you have checked in. plz share .  
 
Dear friends, Allama parwez was an incredible scholar and this work is not opposed to his work, but rather a continuation of what he started. He himself said his words are not the final authoroty. when we start personality worship, we will lose our ability to look at something from a different angle.  
 
When you eat something, it becomes a part of your body because your body has consumed the nutrition in the food. Depending on your activity , the nutrition would provide different results. Same happens when you study something,it becomes a part of you. your body "consumes" the teaching and then enable you to follow it.

Comments by: moazzam On 07 September 2010
Dear Saad haider,the science of lexicone / writing the dictionaries in general had neen invented by the scholars of that field(linguistics). There had been the strong need of the dictionary of quran(the divine book)which should be arranged in the light of TASREEF AL AYAT and the lexicone, remember the QURAN AL ARABIAN MUBEEN does't means the book written in arabic alphabets,but it means the QURAN EXPLAINS ITSELF.I think the grate scholar GA Pervez had initiated to fill this gap .But my dear Saad,remember, his task is never ended,if we stuck with the personalities as you advised,then you deviated from the GA Pervez mission also, ultimately you will be called the PERVEZI like HUNFI not the QURANIST.Let me reproduce your advise "DEAR AURANGZAIB AND BROTHER QAMAR ZAMAN.... Plz stick with Great Allama Pervezs' philosophy.... WHAT HE SAID ABOUT NAMAZ, ROZA ETC. is absolutely OK/RIGHT.......  
ERROR IS NOT IN Namaz and ROZA ETC. error is in us.........  
Hence i suggest you to imitate Allama Pervez ......every question is answered by him.... plz think it over.y's opinions" .I don't agree with your suggestions at all, that again we entangle in the personalities.

Comments by: pervez On 07 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Moazzem and Bob,  
I know Pervez since my child hood. I have read almost his all books. However, I totally agree  
with both of you rather would like to go an extra mile and say that, We should follow none except revelation,  
Prophet also did the same. Everyone is supposed to make his own inquiry and find his own truth. Personality cult of any kind is direct insult to creator who created us all equally. So why can not everyone of us inquire,raise questions and find truth. Remember brothers, you can only find relative truth. This journey is never ending. You reach any destination, absolute truth will be still ahead. Nothing should come in our way to hinder our readiness to accept anything based on logic and reasoning. Quranic concepts should also be tested on reasoning and than accepted.  
 
 

Comments by: Dr. Qamar Zaman On 08 September 2010
Dear Bob ,UmeAimon , damon and Aurangzeb  
I was reading discussion with great interest and was trying to compile my answer to justify the use of the word NISA نسأ " “ for deprived class of the society . Let me acknowledge very frankly that I am impressed by the knowledge and the way you discuss with authority . I am sure that this mission is not going to die out . The course we have adopted of Quran’s understanding on the basis of Grammar and Lexicon will flourish .  
Now summarizing the discussion ,  
Bobs and Aurangzeb’s stand is in favour of my understanding i.e. the word " النسأ " can be used for the deprived class .  
UmeAimon says  
“ nisa as women fits well in most situations, “ and  
“ Arabic is such a vast language then why would Allah choose such words which could cause  
confusion at different places “  
yes you are right , " النسأ " as women fits well in most of the places ,but not always . eg in sura 58 المجادلہ  
Its not God who created confusion but its the translators and the interpreters who created confusion.  
Damon says  
According to Arabic grammar, the personal plural pronoun "HUNNA" is only used in reference to a group of people that is made up of only females  
Whenever a group of people is a mixture of male and female, then the masculine pronoun "HUM" is always used.  
Dear Damon nobody is going to take your comments in a negative manner . I assure you on behalf of all aastana members including you that this is not the policy of Astana team We never get upset when our mistakes are brought into notice .  
Now coming to your explaination I will quote verse 11of sura 49 ,  
 
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لا يَسْخَرْ قَومٌ مِنْ قَوْمٍ عَسَى أَنْ يَكُونُوا خَيْرًا مِنْهُمْ وَلا نِسَاءٌ مِنْ نِسَاءٍ عَسَى أَنْ يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِنْهُنَّ  
 
This verse has always been misinterpreted without any exception . how can word " قوم " be translated as a male person .  
In this verse the word قوم " “ means a strong nation , in this verse word قوم " “ is from ق و م which has the meaning of being strong قوام " " حاکم " the one who has some footing . the meaning of " نساء " is self explanatory i.e. people who have no footing and proverb used here for " نساء "is " ھن " although here in this verse " نساء " means people who have no footing as opposed to people who are called " قوم " .  

Comments by: Damon On 09 September 2010Report Abuse
My Dear Brother Dr Qamar Zaman,  
 
Thank you for pointing out the traditional mistranslation of 49:11. It is true what you pointed out. It clearly says "qawm" and the traditional translations (such as Yusuf Ali which I am looking at as I type this) translate this word as men. I would not have known this had you not brought it to our attention. In fact, they translate as "some men" when the Arabic word for "some" is ba'DD and that word isn't even in the verse.  
 
GOD Bless You,  
Your Brother Damon.

Comments by: Iqbal kay shaheen On 09 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Brothers and sisters Salam,  
 
Thanks alot for all this, and really do love all of you.  
 
Since somewhere above we had spoken about Rafi sahib, and some music. Please listen to this and you really have to go till the end.  
 
http://www.cokestudio.com.pk/Default.aspx#page=video.aspx%3FvideoId%3D13  
 
(just copy and paste it in URL address bar rather download everything)  
 
Enjoy, shall meet you guys in person.  
 

Comments by: UmeAimon On 09 September 2010Report Abuse
Thank you for your anwsers brothers Qamar and Damon and all other dear brothers :)  
jazakAllah

Comments by: Damon On 10 September 2010Report Abuse
Salaam All,  
 
As a quick note, I found out that Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon DOES give the definition of "MEN" for the noun "Qaum". So far, this is the only Classical Arabic Lexicon I have come across that gives this definition. I am continuing my research and study on this issue.  
 
God Bless,  
Damon.

Comments by: moazzam On 10 September 2010
Dear Damon,the translation of quran not only depends upoun the lexicon,but the quranic dictionary as GA Pervez tryed is neaded to understand the true meanings of the perticular word used in quran.Plz include the verse "ARRAJJALO ,AND QAWAMOONA ALANNISA " in your reseach.

Comments by: aurangzaib On 10 September 2010Report Abuse
Dear Brothers Damon, Saad Haider, Moazzam, Sis UmeAimon,  
 
I am happy that Dr. Sahib was so kind as to attend, before long (8/9/10), to the intellectual quest in respect of NISA and the question of Dhamaair (ضمائر ). Though I was already convinced with Dr. Sahib, as brother Bob too is, still I had my share of some more learning and inspiration.  
 
As we have always been witnessing, as per his usual unique style, Dr. Sahib again solved the puzzle with a single small verse i.e., 49/11. More to my amazement, he chose the verse that settled the issues of both NISA and the use of FEMININE OR MASCULINE PRONOUNS, in a single “go”.  
 
 
What becomes very clear to my very humble understanding now is that QAUM is a mixture of both males and females, still the PRONOUN ضمیر used is that of Male – MASCULINE. So, a masculine pronoun can include a group of both males and females and the use of respective pronouon will be governed by the form and nature of the Noun that has been used in the beginning of the sentence. (QAUM - Masculine)  
 
Likewise, NISAA is again a QAUM, though a weaker one, consisting of both males and females. Still a FEMININE PRONOUN can be used for this society of mixed people. Why? Because the NOUN used here is taken, under the rules, as feminine (NISAA).  
(Please correct me Dear Dr. Sahib, if I am drawing a wrong conclusion.)  
 
Following the trail of the Root word NASU, I have noted most of us have not succeeded in locating the meaning of NASU inspite of our concerted efforts. They rightly maintain that the meaning of this ROOT (NASU) has not been mentioned and discussed in many of the dictionaries they have scanned through. I have also noted the same phenomenon in Lane’s’ where he wrote the Root Word NASU and then skipped its meaning and proceeded ahead with its derivatives NISAA’ etc. I think it was a disappointing negligence. I mean, I would call it just an “oversight” only, if he had missed the Root Word NASU too. But, as everyone can see, he mentioned the Root Word and then abandoned it without offering its explanation.  
 
For all of you who may still be searching, I have one small hint from Allama Pervaiz’ Tabweeb ul Quran. Kindly check page No.1048, and go downwards under Chapter عورت –  
6 th line. It reads as under :-  
 
جیسے نسائکم - تمیاری بیویاں – مجازی معنوں میں یہ لفظ قوم کے اس طبقہ کے لئے آیا ہے جو جوہر مردانگی سے عاری ہو ---  
 
We can now be sure that Allama Pervaiz’ research had been successful and he had found out the Root meaning of the word NISAA. Though the learned Scholar calls it MAJAZI MA’ANI, but the fact remains that he was well aware of this meaning and could use it with confidence and authority. If he could find the Root meanings, we can also do so with some more effort. I hope this settles the issue of NISAA.  
 
One more thing. All of us know the methodology to be followed for Quranic understanding. We know and fully realize the role of lexicons. But very recently, respected Brother Abdullah Bashoeb pointed out that before going to lexicons, we must use the method of TASREEF ul AYAAT, and we would find out that lexicons may not form an always-integral part of Quranic learning. I followed the references he detailed and found out that his was a most valid piece of advice. How? Taking Dr. Sahib’s very vital reference of 49/11 in view, did we need a lexicon after he translated it in the right way? No. Why could Dr. Sahib translate this verse in the “right way” without any of us differing from his rendition? Actually Dr. Sahib brought up the particular verse containing Quran’s golden formula of تقابل ضدین “Comparison of Antonyms”. That’s the gateway to most accurate understanding. Dr. Sahib used تقابل ضدین and all doubts about real meanings of words were swiftly cleared.  
 
In the end: What I have learned from our teacher Dr. QZ, is that Quran’s language is that of a classical piece of literature. Translation of each and every word of it requires a deeper insight and a wider cosmic vision. It can only be done with our united and integrated efforts. All of us must stick together for this noble cause.  
 
God bless you all.  
 

Comments by: Damon On 29 November 2010 Edit DeleteReport Abuse
And God Bless You and Dr Qamar Saheb as well,  
 
Thank you for such an inspirational and thought provoking post. I fully agree with you that this settles the issue of Nisaa'a. In fact, I wish to clear up an earlier mistake that I have made....  
 
I realize now that the pronoun "Hunna" IS NOT strictly reserved for a group of women as this very same pronoun is used in 3:7 in reference to the "Ayaat" of The Quran. It specifically says "Hunna Ummul Kitab" and the Ayaat of The Quran are obviously not a group of females.  
 
Since coming here and benefiting from the work and research of Dr Qamar Saheb, I have learned soooo much that I did not know before and have learned things that I had not even considered before. I don't even know half of what I thought I knew.  
 
Brothers Abdullah Bashoeb and Aurangzaib correctly pointed out we must use the method of TASREEF ul AYAAT before going to the lexicons. I have learned this is true and 100% agree with your statement.  
 
I end this post with a quote from John Penrice in the preface of his "Dictionary and Glossary of The Quran"...  
 
"It has been the privilege of the Quran rather to IMPOSE its OWN LAWS upon grammar than to ACCEPT them from other sources" :-)  
 
Fi'amanillah,  
Damon.

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